Is raising children in a particular faith indoctrination? (Jerusalem, service, behavior)
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case in point = premise of the thread and opening post.
what you believe is true, for instance the opening post premise, does not make it true.
it lacks not only accuracy, but it also lacks reasoning and critical thinking skills. which are the named traits it purports to promote.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black in regards to lack of accuracy. Go back and read the first post. It was phrased as a question not the truth!!
Y and No. We have to be taught about a deity. Using common sense and reason we don't end in a deity with the information we have today.
In other words, if the first people had the information we have today, they would have never came up with the deity we see today. But we would still have "something more", because it matches observation to a tea. At least far better than anti-god/anti-religion does anyway.
To use your own phrase, Arach... yupperz.
One of the building blocks for my own stance toward religion and religious belief is this simple thought experiment, which is basically the flipside of your observations above:
If we somehow wiped the slate clean, erasing current human knowledge and starting over in our quest to understand ourselves and the world... we would eventually end up right back where we are now. As we developed the right tools (telescopes, microscopes, endoscopes, logic, scientific method, mathematics, chemistry, physics, etc, etc), we would eventually learn how the heart pumps blood, how neurons work in the brain, how the planets orbit the sun, how the continents were formed, how dinosaurs lived and became extinct, how species evolved, how DNA carries information, how the universe is expanding, how volcanoes work, how the earth is spheroid, and so on. We might come to understand them in a different order, but all those truths are waiting to be revealed, and they would be unchanged.
We would never end up back where we are with religions, however. We might well create other deities (and the rules and rituals and strories that accompany and support them), but they would almost surely be different than what we "know" today.
That tells me a lot about the relative merits of these approaches to discovering the "truth." And how much confidence we should have in passing along that knowledge to our children, getting back to the topic at hand.
Last edited by HeelaMonster; 11-04-2020 at 09:13 AM..
Logical people believe in mythical stories? In what world?
In this world. History is mythical stories. Politics are mythical stories. Economics, medicine, science are and always have been mythical stories. Family histories are mythical stories. Court trials are mythical stories. There's your side, their side, and the truth.
In this world. History is mythical stories. Politics are mythical stories. Economics, medicine, science are and always have been mythical stories. Family histories are mythical stories. Court trials are mythical stories. There's your side, their side, and the truth.
History, economics, medicine, science are just false beliefs, imaginary, or supernatural events/ideas?
This is the primary reason a religious parents teaches--or indoctrinates, if you will--their children about their religion and not another. They believe it to be true.
It's really quite simple.
Correct. I decided my mother’s faith was true-my brother decided not, and raised his kids that way.
History, economics, medicine, science are just false beliefs, imaginary, or supernatural events/ideas?
history is the Antonym of myth.
They are all stories chosen by those who tell the stories to impart beliefs. History = his story. What do you suppose the history of WWII would be if Germany won WWII? Science is just the theories that match our current state of knowledge. How many theories will be discarded a hundred years from now? What did medical science or astronomy or physics tell us a few hundred years ago? What does it tell us if told by a current day aboriginal medicine man? What about family histories? Do you think all the dirty secrets are known? All the heroic stories are true? Economics speaks for itself. Trickle down economics? How does that work? If people understood economics why would there be economic crashes? Politics? Please. Just look at the beliefs of Trump vs Biden supporters. A hundred million people with contrary beliefs and stories. They can't all be illogical. People can't even agree on if words are good or bad. Indoctrination, socialism, free love. It's all in the eye of the beholder. The beholders brings their own logic.
In this world. History is mythical stories. Politics are mythical stories. Economics, medicine, science are and always have been mythical stories. Family histories are mythical stories. Court trials are mythical stories. There's your side, their side, and the truth.
Can't rep you more. Thanks for your comments, and please continue to contribute here
Last edited by Thoreau424; 11-04-2020 at 11:09 AM..
case in point = premise of the thread and opening post.
what you believe is true, for instance the opening post premise, does not make it true.
it lacks not only accuracy, but it also lacks reasoning and critical thinking skills.
because while you may determine what is beneficial for you in your life, you are in no position to determine what is beneficial for others in their life. that basic piece of logic, common sense, and reasoning is absent and glaring. (yet again)
History, economics, medicine, science are just false beliefs, imaginary, or supernatural events/ideas?
history is the Antonym of myth.
There are differing meanings of the word "myth." One should establish if one's use of it imports the notion of falsehood or whether it is simply a technical term for a cultural story which explains something. It seems that people are not agreeing on a singular definition so are arguing at cross purposes.
Your post shows you do not read before you hastily post. Of course you are of European descent that's more than likely why you have no problem with the theory. The theory states you are actually more advanced than Neil deGrasse.
I don't know where you got such an idea. The Theory says we humans are all the same species.
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Arach Angle, I do not think you actually know how evolution is said to work but if you are born into a certain group you get to reap the benefits anyway.
Some evolutionist believe that you, Arach Angle, simply by birth, are smarter than all non-Europeans...it's nothing you earned it's simply a birthright.
Which evolutionists believe that? And if so, isn't that a matter of education and social progress and nothing to do with evolution?
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Originally Posted by bobspez
In this world. History is mythical stories. Politics are mythical stories. Economics, medicine, science are and always have been mythical stories. Family histories are mythical stories. Court trials are mythical stories. There's your side, their side, and the truth.
I sympathise with the problem. But that isn't a reason to not use all we can to try to know as much about ourselves, the world we live in, where we came from and the best way to live. In fact being aware of the flaws in knowledge keeps us trying to improve. And the kicker is, in my view, that those who seem to have a problem with all that never turn their backs on it and go to live in the desert or something, but they rely day to day on all that modern human life offers. But without much gratitude for it so it seems.
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Originally Posted by bobspez
They are all stories chosen by those who tell the stories to impart beliefs. History = his story. What do you suppose the history of WWII would be if Germany won WWII? Science is just the theories that match our current state of knowledge. How many theories will be discarded a hundred years from now? What did medical science or astronomy or physics tell us a few hundred years ago? What does it tell us if told by a current day aboriginal medicine man? What about family histories? Do you think all the dirty secrets are known? All the heroic stories are true? Economics speaks for itself. Trickle down economics? How does that work? If people understood economics why would there be economic crashes? Politics? Please. Just look at the beliefs of Trump vs Biden supporters. A hundred million people with contrary beliefs and stories. They can't all be illogical. People can't even agree on if words are good or bad. Indoctrination, socialism, free love. It's all in the eye of the beholder. The beholders brings their own logic.
This is very confused. The fact is that - at the time - the winning side was very biased in the way they presented the history. But, as time progresses, the bias fades and we can make a more true assessment of what really happened.
Progress in science from earlier days when less was known is another thing altogether. What 'theories' will be discarded? What theories Have been discarded? Copernicus, Newton and Einstein are just as valid now as they were then. And this is nothing to do with politics which is more to do with rhetoric than with science or history.
You obviously have the mental equipment to recognize the problem, and rather than throw your hands up and believe nothing (which you don't do every time you get into your car), accept the problem, use critical thinkong and research so far as you can, and don't despair!
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