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Old 11-03-2020, 11:03 AM
 
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Actually, no it's not.

Oxford Dictionary

Brushing your teeth is not a set of beliefs. Neither is learning any other life skill or just plain skill.

We all know very well what indoctrination means.
Sure it is. Some parents don't teach their kids the importance of dental hygiene.
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Old 11-03-2020, 11:03 AM
 
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Different website, different definitions

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/indoctrination
"the act of indoctrinating, or teaching or inculcating a doctrine, principle, or ideology, especially one with a specific point of view:"

which leads to "indoctrinating" as

to instruct in a doctrine, principle, ideology, etc., especially to imbue with a specific partisan or biased belief or point of view.
to teach or inculcate.
to imbue with learning.

also, check https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/indoctrinate
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Old 11-03-2020, 11:05 AM
 
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This may be a rare moment, but I agree with BF. We can argue whether it is good or bad (and I will in a later post), and some words obviously carry more baggage than others, so we can call it what you will.... "exposure, orientation, instillation, inculcation, following suit, modeling, parenting, brainwashing, bringing them up the right way".... but it's still indoctrination, by any other name.
True, and just like everything else, coming to atheistic thought would be indoctrination as well.

The OP is the loudest example and proponent here of "indoctrination", and it's hilarious how he misses it.
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Old 11-03-2020, 11:08 AM
 
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No, you are teaching them to make informed decisions and choose by not raising them in a particular faith. Why not educate your children in what the different faiths offer and allow them to make their own decisions? Teach them about Jesus, teach them about Allah, teach them about Hinduism. How is that indoctrination?
That sounds like confusing nonsense.
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Old 11-03-2020, 11:09 AM
 
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Actually, no it's not.

Oxford Dictionary

Brushing your teeth is not a set of beliefs. Neither is learning any other life skill or just plain skill.

We all know very well what indoctrination means.
Actually very few indoctrinated people recognize their own indoctrination. They see it as choice or wisdom. But generally we learn to accept all of our beliefs and preferences uncritically, whether they came from others or from our own experience. We use our experience to adapt and alter our beliefs, but many of them are kept for a lifetime and we never question them as long as they seem to work for us, or make us feel good.
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Old 11-03-2020, 11:42 AM
 
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That sounds like confusing nonsense.
Agreed, religion is nonsense.
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Old 11-03-2020, 11:46 AM
 
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Who says you can't question other things? You ask your mom, "why do I brush my teeth?" and she says "because if you don't they will fall out." You skip a day and they don't fall out but she says "it happens in the future, trust me." You look at her mouth -- no missing teeth. She says "That's because I brush them."

Same conversation with mom about religion, "why do I believe/pray/perform ritual/accept ideas?" and she says "because if you don't your soul will fall out." You skip a day of ritual, or harbor a doubt or a rejection, and nothing seems to happen, but she says "it happens in the future, trust me."

There are loads of things we take on faith from our parents, loads of codes of behavior we are indoctrinated into so that we can be functioning members of the various societies which our parents choose for us. And while we question (the school dress code, being a Mets fan, stopping on red, getting vaccinated, being chivalrous), the decisions are made for us and we follow them until we are old enough to reject them and accept the consequences of that rejection.
Brushing your teeth and your teeth will fall out = fact, we have evidence, no faith necessary.

Praying for Jesus or soul will fall out= no evidence purely based on faith.
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Old 11-03-2020, 11:51 AM
 
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Brushing your teeth and your teeth will fall out = fact, we have evidence, no faith necessary.

Praying for Jesus or soul will fall out= no evidence purely based on faith.
The child has zero evidence for this. He accepts the claim on faith. He is being taught a belief, trusting that the person telling him knows what he's talking about. Plenty of adults likewise have no first hand knowledge of this and simply accept the anecdotal evidence that they hear from others.
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Old 11-03-2020, 11:53 AM
 
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Actually, no. Proper diet and foods maintain teeth healthy and without any damage for lifetime. Living example was my FIL. Man had beautiful white teeth, never saw a dentist, never brushed his teeth. He ate a white onion raw a day though and, firmly believed, that is why his teeth were so perfect. Unfortunately, that was about the only healthy part of him. Yet, all the way till his death in the late 60s of age, that's what it was. Man grew on a farm and natural food life long.
See, your example is just another sample of indoctrination.

I'll bring another example of "natural indoctrination". Mark Moss is one of them money talking heads. In one of his "SHTF" presentations, he speaks of situation, when person lost job and is without means of existence. Verbatim, Mark says - You start living off credit cards and building up your debt.
Then he goes on long this and that, how to deal with debt.
His mind does not even consider other ways - you find another job, any job and, cut on your expenses. His mind does not even consider something like this, as living by debt became such a NORM.

So let me tell you one thing, dear OP. EVERYTHING you ever learned, is indoctrination. Everything is masking net, to hide the Truth. EVERYTHING. All your "sneaky" posts about this and that, are nothing but result of such indoctrination and misguidance. Makes you feel good and original, maybe, but true it is not.
So because one man you claimed never brushed his teeth and didn’t fall out doesn’t negate the fact that not brushing your teeth CAN cause tooth decay and gum disease which left untreated you would eventually lose your teeth. This is a fact unlike religion which is purely based on faith and requires indoctrination.
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Old 11-03-2020, 11:57 AM
 
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The child has zero evidence for this. He accepts the claim on faith. He is being taught a belief, trusting that the person telling him knows what he's talking about. Plenty of adults likewise have no first hand knowledge of this and simply accept the anecdotal evidence that they hear from others.
There is no faith involved when the child complains of a tooth ache and has to go to the dentist to address the pain. We have observable evidence here. Unlike religion where you must accept all claims on faith. There is no observable evidence of your soul going to heaven or hell.
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