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"intellectual effort" by "many" religionists?
... as if, all atheists and non-believers are born intellectuals or become one, soon as they discard the existence of God?
It is a simple fact that many forms of religion are overtly anti-intellectual, by the simple device of giving literal credence to the Bible's advice to trust god over your own understanding. And by extension, not evidence-based in how they engage with the world.
From that it does not follow that all unbelievers are automatically not that way or have some innate advantage in IQ or something. There are stupid, arrogant, and insufferable atheists. Please try to address the actual point rather than practice what-about-ism or false equivalencies. That will help rehabilitate the well-deserved reputation of many religious people as disparaging their own "god-given" intellects.
It is a simple fact that many forms of religion are overtly anti-intellectual, by the simple device of giving literal credence to the Bible's advice to trust god over your own understanding. And by extension, not evidence-based in how they engage with the world. From that it does not follow that all unbelievers are automatically not that way or have some innate advantage in IQ or something. There are stupid, arrogant, and insufferable atheists. Please try to address the actual point rather than practice what-about-ism or false equivalencies. That will help rehabilitate the well-deserved reputation of many religious people as disparaging their own "god-given" intellects.
bold above,
um, no not a fact
but it is your simple opinion
It is a simple fact that many forms of religion are overtly anti-intellectual, by the simple device of giving literal credence to the Bible's advice to trust god over your own understanding. And by extension, not evidence-based in how they engage with the world.
From that it does not follow that all unbelievers are automatically not that way or have some innate advantage in IQ or something. There are stupid, arrogant, and insufferable atheists. Please try to address the actual point rather than practice what-about-ism or false equivalencies. That will help rehabilitate the well-deserved reputation of many religious people as disparaging their own "god-given" intellects.
Some of this may be a function of how one defines 'intellectual'.
For me, I'm not talking about some genius discussion level of intercourse. What I am talking about is the ability of a person -- even a common person -- to be able to have a discussion about religion, being at least reasonably open-minded, and being able to see the other point of view (even if not in agreement).
Leaning not on your own understanding, means seeking shared understanding with God, which is how Adam was formed from the ground and given the breath of life, in a shared and formed understanding and living bond with God. Just as God was walking in the Garden in the cool of the day. Adam was even given the lead and named the living creatures in a shared understanding with God in all together goodness. How beautifully humble is that, which translates to the beauty of the living creatures. And giving Adam his place among them. Calling them by the blessed name they were given. The living waters even have there place in shared understanding with God.
God's ways are higher than ours, so to lean on your own understanding, would be following advice seeking a personal highness given by the Satan/Serpent, over and against the shared understanding that was given in God's living word.
The contrast I see is that Jesus actually provides the Holy Spirit to teach the believer.
Though men have perverted this fact never the less God searches for those that actually will love Him.
Adam was made for fellowship with God and from the beginning = to be taught of God all along, but man chose other means and rebellion was born.(SIN)
God allowed men to teach but they perverted what they were told for their own value among men. Nobel as it seemed they miss the mark repeatedly.
Jesus said, " Blessed are they that do hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled."
Righteousness from God's perspective is direction directly coming from Him, not a secondary source no matter how noble it seems.
God knows man inside out and what makes each of us tick ( our motivations)
If a person genuinely wants to know God and not looking for excuses or blame an honest humble person gets more responsive than one that is egocentric arrogant and proud.
I enjoy God's intervention in my life almost daily, I marvel at how He provides for me in ways I never would have suspected. You have to understand that I do not manipulate God, I cooperate with Him.
Leaning not on your own understanding, means seeking shared understanding with God, which is how Adam was formed from the ground and given the breath of life, in a shared and formed understanding and living bond with God. Just as God was walking in the Garden in the cool of the day. Adam was even given the lead and named the living creatures in a shared understanding with God in all together goodness. How beautifully humble is that, which translates to the beauty of the living creatures. And giving Adam his place among them. Calling them by the blessed name they were given. The living waters even have there place in shared understanding with God.
God's ways are higher than ours, so to lean on your own understanding, would be following advice seeking a personal highness given by the Satan/Serpent, over and against the shared understanding that was given in God's living word.
That's fine...for those of you who believe that, and not even all christians do.
The contrast I see is that Jesus actually provides the Holy Spirit to teach the believer.
Though men have perverted this fact never the less God searches for those that actually will love Him.
Adam was made for fellowship with God and from the beginning = to be taught of God all along, but man chose other means and rebellion was born.(SIN)
God allowed men to teach but they perverted what they were told for their own value among men. Nobel as it seemed they miss the mark repeatedly.
Jesus said, " Blessed are they that do hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled."
Righteousness from God's perspective is direction directly coming from Him, not a secondary source no matter how noble it seems.
God knows man inside out and what makes each of us tick ( our motivations)
If a person genuinely wants to know God and not looking for excuses or blame an honest humble person gets more responsive than one that is egocentric arrogant and proud.
I enjoy God's intervention in my life almost daily, I marvel at how He provides for me in ways I never would have suspected. You have to understand that I do not manipulate God, I cooperate with Him.
I wouldn't think a god would be so desperate for love that he would have to go out and search for it.
Some of this may be a function of how one defines 'intellectual'.
For me, I'm not talking about some genius discussion level of intercourse. What I am talking about is the ability of a person -- even a common person -- to be able to have a discussion about religion, being at least reasonably open-minded, and being able to see the other point of view (even if not in agreement).
bold above,
um, no not a fact
but it is your simple opinion
Ironically it was a fact, and it was your post that was the opinion.
Read Paul's letters, where every rational method is slammed as foolishness (μωρίας), only Christian revelation and interpretation of scripture counted.
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