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Old 05-17-2023, 01:03 PM
 
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There is nothing in the Bible that says aliens cannot exist.
Yes, but do you believe that the human species was created in God's image, who is the creator of the entire universe?

So how would you explain that to the far more advanced, far more peaceful, and far older than us species, that I described above?

Would you tell them that they are not created in God's image? But we are?

Etc.

The basic thrust of the Bible is not compatible with the idea of humans not being the dominating species.
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Old 05-17-2023, 01:06 PM
 
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Yes, but do you believe that the human species was created in God's image, who is the creator of the entire universe?

So how would you explain that to the far more advanced, far more peaceful, and far older than us species, that I described above?

Would you tell them that they are not created in God's image? But we are?

Etc.

The basic thrust of the Bible is not compatible with the idea of humans not being the dominating species.
Why couldnt aliens be more advanced, peaceful or older? That has nothing to do with the Bible. Just because they wouldnt believe in God doesnt mean that they werent created by God.

Even on earth there have been societies that were more advanced, societies that are more peaceful or societies that are older.
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Old 05-17-2023, 01:10 PM
 
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Why couldnt aliens be more advanced, peaceful or older? That has nothing to do with the Bible. Just because they wouldnt believe in God doesnt mean that they werent created by God.

Even on earth there have been societies that were more advanced, societies that are more peaceful or societies that are older.
Believe it or not, I read somewhere that God(s) were seemingly irrelevant to some of the more advanced supposed species.
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Old 05-17-2023, 01:12 PM
 
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Believe it or not, I read somewhere that God(s) were seemingly irrelevant to some of the more advanced species.
Ok? I have read somewhere that God is seemingly irrelevant to humans on earth. Whats your point?
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Old 05-17-2023, 01:31 PM
 
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Why couldnt aliens be more advanced, peaceful or older? That has nothing to do with the Bible. Just because they wouldnt believe in God doesnt mean that they werent created by God.
So you would believe that the Bible/God/Jesus/Christianity/afterlife applies to them? Or no?

We're talking about a super advanced intelligent species that literally watched us from afar, evolving from simple life forms, long before Christianity existed. Maybe they even saved our planet from an asteroid or something at some point, without even telling us.

Just seems ridiculously arrogant (among other adjectives), to have an Earth-centric or human-centric view of the universe and all that, to believe things like everything in Genesis, if we found out that the universe and intelligent life was anything but Earth-centric or human-centric, and that humans are not the dominant ones.

The Bible doesn't mention the aliens, because it is passed along human myth stories written by people, who had no idea about any of what's out there.

I mean if they showed us literal photographic/video evidence of our species evolution over millennia, etc.- the mental gymnastics that would be required for the people who don't believe in evolution because God created humans starting with Adam and Eve a few thousand years ago, etc.
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Old 05-17-2023, 01:34 PM
 
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So you would believe that the Bible/God/Jesus/Christianity/afterlife applies to them? Or no?

We're talking about a super advanced intelligent species that literally watched us from afar, evolving from simple life forms, long before Christianity existed. Maybe they even saved our planet from an asteroid or something at some point, without even telling us.

Just seems ridiculously arrogant (among other adjectives), to have an Earth-centric or human-centric view of the universe and all that, to believe things like everything in Genesis, if we found out that the universe and intelligent life was anything but Earth-centric or human-centric, and that humans are not the dominant ones.

The Bible doesn't mention the aliens, because it is passed along human myth stories written by people, who had no idea about any of what's out there.

I mean if they showed us literal photographic/video evidence of our species evolution over millennia, etc.- the mental gymnastics that would be required for the people who don't believe in evolution because God created humans starting with Adam and Eve a few thousand years ago, etc.
Sure, the Bible/God/Jesus/Christianity/afterlife applies to them. Even if someone doesnt think it does it would. The Bible doesnt mention alot of things. So what? As for evolution, I have always been of the belief that God used evolution to make everything. You have yet to say anything that shows that faith and aliens are incompatible.
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Old 05-17-2023, 01:34 PM
 
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So you would believe that the Bible/God/Jesus/Christianity/afterlife applies to them? Or no?

We're talking about a super advanced intelligent species that literally watched us from afar, evolving from simple life forms, long before Christianity existed. Maybe they even saved our planet from an asteroid or something at some point, without even telling us.

Just seems ridiculously arrogant (among other adjectives), to have an Earth-centric or human-centric view of the universe and all that, to believe things like everything in Genesis, if we found out that the universe and intelligent life was anything but Earth-centric or human-centric, and that humans are not the dominant ones.

The Bible doesn't mention the aliens, because it is passed along human myth stories written by people, who had no idea about any of what's out there.

I mean if they showed us literal photographic/video evidence of our species evolution over millennia, etc.- the mental gymnastics that would be required for the people who don't believe in evolution because God created humans starting with Adam and Eve a few thousand years ago, etc.
There are individuals who hold the belief that the Bible contains references to extraterrestrial occurrences. For instance, in Daniel 7:9, there is mention of "wheels" which are associated with the term "galgal" and referred to as "the wheels of galgallin". These wheels are described as being composed of two nested wheels and having four eyes. They are said to move alongside the winged Cherubim, situated beneath the throne of God, and surrounded by fiery flames.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophanim
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Old 05-17-2023, 01:50 PM
 
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Sure, the Bible/God/Jesus/Christianity/afterlife applies to them. Even if someone doesnt think it does it would. The Bible doesnt mention alot of things. So what? As for evolution, I have always been of the belief that God used evolution to make everything. You have yet to say anything that shows that faith and aliens are incompatible.
But the whole theme of Christianity would be so obviously completely incompatible with certain hypothetical alien reveal scenarios. Do you not understand what I'm saying? It's not about whether the Bible mentions aliens or not. It's about what the Bible and the Christian religion is, and how the entire context of reality would all the sudden be altered from under our feet.

Let's say the aliens haven't had a single murder in 10,000 years, because they have become that enlightened and evolved and advanced. You're going to tell them that they are sinners and must repent? Our little nothing little species, with people shooting up kids in schools, is going to be so arrogant as to tell them that?

Let's say they know of hundreds of other intelligent species out there, many of them more intelligent and advanced than we are. And not a single one of them has any concept of God or any of our myths that we conceived here within the last couple of thousand years, in our unconnected, isolated lonesome.

You'd believe that you are right, and they are all wrong, and need Jesus?

What if they're not even carbon based life? Christ died on the cross, for crystallized metallic beings that exist thousands of light years away, and understood more than we know now, long before we or any of our creation myth concepts or desert tribes or holy books even existed? Are they going to Hell?

The whole notion of devout Christianity, particularly literal interpretations, somehow reconciled with the existence of superior intelligent alien life that may not even have symmetry or look anything remotely like Earth life or breathe air or any of it... I just find that very asinine.
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Old 05-17-2023, 01:53 PM
 
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But the whole theme of Christianity would be so obviously completely incompatible with certain hypothetical alien reveal scenarios. Do you not understand what I'm saying? It's not about whether the Bible mentions aliens or not. It's about what the Bible and the Christian religion is, and how the entire context of reality would all the sudden be altered from under our feet.

Let's say the aliens haven't had a single murder in 10,000 years, because they have become that enlightened and evolved and advanced. You're going to tell them that they are sinners and must repent? Our little nothing little species, with people shooting up kids in schools, is going to be so arrogant as to tell them that?

Let's say they know of hundreds of other intelligent species out there, many of them more intelligent and advanced than we are. And not a single one of them has any concept of God or any of our myths that we conceived here within the last couple of thousand years, in our unconnected, isolated lonesome.

You'd believe that you are right, and they are all wrong, and need Jesus?

What if they're not even carbon based life? Christ died on the cross, for crystallized metallic beings that exist thousands of light years away, and understood more than we know now, long before we or any of our creation myth concepts or desert tribes or holy books even existed? Are they going to Hell?

The whole notion of devout Christianity, particularly literal interpretations, somehow reconciled with the existence of superior intelligent alien life that may not even have symmetry or look anything remotely like Earth life or breathe air or any of it... I just find that very asinine.
And if they dont believe in God, so be it. I dont make a big deal if someone believes or not. It truly doesnt matter to me.

However, nothing that you have stated about aliens would mean that any religion coudnt exist because of them.
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Old 05-17-2023, 02:02 PM
 
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However, nothing that you have stated about aliens would mean that any religion coudnt exist because of them.
Religion exists even when it's disproven. Because of the nature of what faith is... belief without evidence. Or often even believing things despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. (Evolution, astronomy, etc.)

So would there still be Christians, and Muslims, etc... yes, of course there would be.

But my point is that, clearly, more than ever, the underlying main thrust of Christianity would be thematically incompatible with reality as we would now come to understand it in our greater enlightenment, along with perhaps other world-shaking facts that we would discover about ourselves and our distant past, etc.
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