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Old 12-04-2008, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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'Pretty much my own point of view to this.

I DO think very strongly that there is a purpose ~ a reason ~ to our being here. If there wasn't, there's no point. To anything.

And what reason/purpose do you think that is? If you're going to say that the point/reason for us to be here is to meet God, then what is the point/reason of that?

Do animals have a reason/point to exist?
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Old 12-04-2008, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Boise
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Another example of atheists' desire to live and let live.

Atheists: Remove 'God' from Kentucky terrorism law (OneNewsNow.com) (http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx?id=340618 - broken link).
Well, god doesn't beling in some places - like the workplace. These people have no right to push god in a government funded workplace. Besides many will say that terrorists are motivated by god.
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Old 12-04-2008, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Boise
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It is laughable to me to see atheists attempt to take the high ground. Those of faith are clearly the backbone of this nation which was founded on Christian principles. How is it that Christians are, then, seen as attempting to take over? How does one take over that which he rightfully and historically owns?

Is it not the atheist who now wants to make of America something she was never created to be? Is it not the atheist who wants dominion--who masquerades as a force for tolerance when its ultimate goal is to stamp out religion wherever it finds it? Is it not atheism that kicked God out of schools and despises and fights against any public display of reverence for God? Is it not atheism that has infiltrated our schools systems with its anti-God, anti-moral, Evolution doctrines?

Do not point your fingers at Christianity and accuse it of dominion. It cannot wrongly dominate that which was created by it and for it! It is atheism that is the intruder. It is atheism that is intolerant while it points its finger at Christianity and shouts "intolerance!"

This nation was created by religious people seeking a nation under God. As such, those of faith are the true natives. Atheists should expect to be as much an anomaly in America as a Christian should expect to be in a Muslim nation. We would not go to Iraq and insist that they proclaim the Christ of Christianity and demand that Christianity have an influence in their Islamic society. Neither should atheists feel that they have the right to impose their antithetical, godless tenets upon the Judeo-Christian society in which they are privileged to live.

Why do atheists find it strange that those of faith want to preserve that upon which this nation was founded? We seek only to maintain our Judeo-Christian heritage. It is the atheist who is the dominionist because he will never be content living alongside those of faith--his ultimate goal is to wipe them out once and for all. Tolerant atheism is an oxymoron!

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OH please

You poor christians, you can't indoctrinate little kiddies in school, you cant push religion on every corner like a crak dealer.

Has it ever occured to you that religion in this country is failing because people are realizing it for the hypocritical fairy tale that it is? Maybe people are losing religion because people are going into the 21st century? I know it would be nice to have religion run the show like it did 500 years ago, but time does go on.

You want to talk christianity being the backbone of the nation and the root of tolerance? This country may have been founded by Christians, and I will admit fully that it was for their own agenda. Christians STOLE this country from other human beings. They murdered the people who lived here for centuries. Christians shot the indians for sport, they chased them from their land with guns and disease, they sicked packs of dogs on them which ate them alive. Christians intentionally gave the indians tainted blankets to make them sick and kill them off in mass, they forced them into slavery to mine gold and nearly pushed an entire group of people to extinction all for their christian nation. this is what they call dominion... So yes, some crazy people may not appreciate your preservation...
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Old 12-05-2008, 06:48 AM
 
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From what I've seen, atheism is definintly a negative influence on society. Whenever you leave God, it always ends in a negative result (lack of morals, lack of spirituality and ruder people, to name a few).

If you are going to teach kids that they come from animals; don't be surprised when they act like animals and do drugs and commit crimes.
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Old 12-05-2008, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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From what I've seen, atheism is definintly a negative influence on society. Whenever you leave God, it always ends in a negative result (lack of morals, lack of spirituality and ruder people, to name a few).
It's strange that I don't see this lack of morals, rudeness and all of the other qualities you attribute to atheists in people who I know from this forum or even from myself for that matter. I'm an atheist and I have strong moral convictions, I'm not some decadent low life as your statement would seem to suggest that I should be. I've heard this line so many times, that the introduction of atheism into a society accompanied by it's cousin, homosexuality, causes a downward spiral of events that eventually results in the complete collapse of cilivilization as we know it. I think I've referred to that as bar room philosophy because that's the sort of enlightened thinking that a group of drunken rednecks will aspire to after a night of knocking back one beer after another.
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Old 12-05-2008, 08:16 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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17271 wrote:

It's strange that I don't see this lack of morals, rudeness and all of the other qualities you attribute to atheists in people who I know from this forum or even from myself for that matter. I'm an atheist and I have strong moral convictions, I'm not some decadent low life as your statement would seem to suggest that I should be. I've heard this line so many times, that the introduction of atheism into a society accompanied by it's cousin, homosexuality, causes a downward spiral of events that eventually results in the complete collapse of cilivilization as we know it. I think I've referred to that as bar room philosophy because that's the sort of enlightened thinking that a group of drunken rednecks will aspire to after a night of knocking back one beer after another.
Couldn't put it better myself. I wonder whether some of these people have really met and known atheists and their families. Perhaps that is part of the problem. Because so many atheists live in the closet in the US, theists are not really given examples of good atheists and good atheist families.
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Old 12-05-2008, 08:28 AM
 
Location: God's Country
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From what I've seen, atheism is definintly a negative influence on society. Whenever you leave God, it always ends in a negative result (lack of morals, lack of spirituality and ruder people, to name a few).

If you are going to teach kids that they come from animals; don't be surprised when they act like animals and do drugs and commit crimes.
I agree that leaving God is never a good thing, but not all Atheist are rude or lack morals and Montana is definitely someone that has never been rude on this forum. I have great respect for him. As June would say, "he is a dear sweet man".
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Old 12-05-2008, 08:39 AM
 
Location: state of enlightenment
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From what I've seen, atheism is definintly a negative influence on society. Whenever you leave God, it always ends in a negative result (lack of morals, lack of spirituality and ruder people, to name a few).

If you are going to teach kids that they come from animals; don't be surprised when they act like animals and do drugs and commit crimes.
Whenever you abandon science, logic and reason in favor of fantasy and fairy tales that's definitively a negative influence on society.
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Old 12-05-2008, 08:40 AM
 
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17271 wrote:

It's strange that I don't see this lack of morals, rudeness and all of the other qualities you attribute to atheists in people who I know from this forum or even from myself for that matter. I'm an atheist and I have strong moral convictions, I'm not some decadent low life as your statement would seem to suggest that I should be. I've heard this line so many times, that the introduction of atheism into a society accompanied by it's cousin, homosexuality, causes a downward spiral of events that eventually results in the complete collapse of cilivilization as we know it. I think I've referred to that as bar room philosophy because that's the sort of enlightened thinking that a group of drunken rednecks will aspire to after a night of knocking back one beer after another.
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Couldn't put it better myself. I wonder whether some of these people have really met and known atheists and their families. Perhaps that is part of the problem. Because so many atheists live in the closet in the US, theists are not really given examples of good atheists and good atheist families.
So how do you two (MontanaGuy and Gretchen), respond to someone like this.....

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But religionists do corner the market on fantasy and delusion while athiests corner the market on logic and reason. Any belief system based on fantasy, fairy tales, lies and delusion doesn't pose a very solid foundation for society.
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Old 12-05-2008, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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From what I've seen, atheism is definintly a negative influence on society. Whenever you leave God, it always ends in a negative result (lack of morals, lack of spirituality and ruder people, to name a few).

If you are going to teach kids that they come from animals; don't be surprised when they act like animals and do drugs and commit crimes.
This is total BS...Come visit the A&A forum and compare the demeanor of people there to the Christian forum...You'll see what I mean. Your prisons are stuffed with Christians, not atheists.
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