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Have you ever heard the beating heart of that "NOT" human while in it's mother's womb? Ever seen a sonogram of that "NOT" human?
No I haven't. At what stage does this occur?
And I have to ask, do those opposed to abortion also oppose taking people with no hope off of life support? Because I HAVE seen that and cintinue to believe in it.
5 1/2 to 6 1/2 weeks after conception. However, I will say that nice a symbol as it may be, a beating heart is not a suitable definition for a human.
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And I have to ask, do those opposed to abortion also oppose taking people with no hope off of life support? Because I HAVE seen that and cintinue to believe in it.
Depends on what you mean by life support. If you mean machines that breathe or beat a heart for a person...that needs to be the person or family's decision. Not the doctor and not the government. "With no hope" needs to be the decision of the individual or the individual's family. If you mean basic food and water, then yes, that is wrong. Turning off a machine that breathes for a person is a lot different than starving someone to death.
But again, there's a big difference between removing life support and purposeful killing. Big, big difference. One allows nature to take its course. The other stops nature from taking its course.
well we are not a country that has that, we are a democratic Republic. So its about representative democracy and electoral college, which no one argued was a problem when clinton one in 92. and now they want one man one vote now.
And I have to ask, do those opposed to abortion also oppose taking people with no hope off of life support? Because I HAVE seen that and cintinue to believe in it.
The baby's heart begins beating at 22 days after conception and you can see the "flickering" of the heart in the ultrasound. At around 8-10 weeks you can hear the heartbeat with the doppler-type stethoscope the obstetrician uses.
Life support - that's a different ballgame altogether. Like Terri Shiavo - she was starved to death. No food and no water until she died. No way - I'm against that. Her parents should have been allowed to care for her.
When a machine is forcing your heart to beat - that's a call only the family and doctors can make together.
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well we are not a country that has that, we are a democratic Republic. So its about representative democracy and electoral college, which no one argued was a problem when clinton one in 92. and now they want one man one vote now.
So you're content to be off topic now?
Your argument conveniently overooks the fact that Clinton held a sizeable popular vote margin in '92 and '96. Sometimes the people actually do get to choose.
A very small portion of the left maybe. G.W.'s biggest problem is that he brought neo-conservatism to the White House. That has nothing to do with his religion or lack thereof.
If you look at the context of my reply it was regarding, W attending the same church as Mrs Bill Clinton. I would be glad to debate Bush,s presidency but that's not the topic of this thread!
Being pro-choice IS NOT being pro-abortion, it's hoping to keep the government nose from places it doesn't belong.
Oh, OK, thanks for telling me what I need to do. . .
Being pro-choice is pro abortion. Pro choice is just a politically correct term for all the people who would cringe at the term "pro abortion". Just like so many other little euphemisms the left has concocked to make the truth more palatable for them.
Actually Marks, "Christian left", would be an oxymoron, but make no mistake there is definitely a religious left , they worship at the alter of the federal bureaucracy, abortion rights, animal rights, homosexual rights, anti war, anti christianity, anti gun, anti america, these are the fundamentalist of the religious left!
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