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Old 04-12-2009, 02:49 AM
 
Location: South Africa
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Creation scientists have discovered the 6,000-year-old remains of a gigantic snake, from which modern boas are descended. Is this the serpent from the Garden of Eden?
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/upload/2009/02/titanoboa/titanoboa.jpeg (broken link)
The small, pale bone between those labeled “a” and “b” is from a modern boa, which is typically about 10 feet long. Creation scientists believe that the supernatural owner of the larger bones was a mammoth 42-foot-long, 2500 pound monster!
Now, many folks who are not familiar with the Bible might think that the serpent in Eden was Satan, the fallen angel. The Bible says no such thing; that is a fiction invented by the Catholic church.

(http://www.palibandaily.com/2009/02/05/garden-of-eden-serpent-found/ - broken link)
More... (http://www.palibandaily.com/2009/02/05/garden-of-eden-serpent-found/ - broken link)
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Old 04-12-2009, 03:09 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Creation scientist James Harneckie, PhD tells us, “This was doubtless the serpent from Eden. With its incredible size, it could have easily picked fruit from the tree and given it to Eve.”

Yes, doubtless THE serpent from Eden

Because it was big enough to reach way up into the tree and pick fruit.

Damned big evil snake! If it had just been a little shorter we wouldn't HAVE all this mess...
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Old 04-12-2009, 05:47 AM
 
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A couple of points:

1. Your link stated that this snake was discovered by so-called creation scientists. Not true. This is the reference to the original paper:

Head JJ, Block JI, Hastings AK, Bourque JR, Cadena EA, Herrera FA, Polly D, Jaramillo CA (2009) Giant boid snake from the Palaeocene neotropics reveals hotter past equatorial temperatures. Nature 457(7230):715-718.

No "creation scientists" involved in this discovery. The article you linked contains information that is patently FALSE.

Your article has a COMMENT by a creation scientist...a James Harneckie, PhD. By the way, a Pubmed search shows that James Harneckie has no publications whatsoever, and I question if he even has the scientific credentials to comment on the merit of such findings. In fact, he doesn't even show up on Google!

2. Logic quiz. Does this statment really make sense to you?

The bones of a giant snake was discovered...therefore it is be the snake described in Genesis story of creation. At least this is Harneckie's logic (again makes me question his scientific credentials).
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Old 04-12-2009, 05:56 AM
 
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no its just an old skeleton. You can see old skeletons at any museum in the dinosaur exhibit.
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Old 04-12-2009, 06:35 AM
 
Location: OKC
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I guess if your gonna believe that a talking snaked encouraged some folks to eat magic applies, you might as well believe this was the talking snake.
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Old 04-12-2009, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Western Cary, NC
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It looks like the religious extremes are grabbing at threads rather than facing facts.
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Old 04-12-2009, 09:40 AM
 
Location: NC, USA
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Dang, it really bugs me when you guys do things like this, it's kinda like grasping at straws. The intellectual equvalent of holding your breathe until your face turns blue. "creation scientist" - sorry guys, but science does not start with the conclusion and then trim the quasi-evidence to fit. True science discovers evidences, follows the trail until a conclusion can be logically reached. Darwin did not start out to "discover" evolution, he began by classifing various types and specie of animals, and started noticing similarities, he noticed how they differed in relation to their environment, eventually, after years of work and notations, he began to see a pattern. Theories come from years and years of hard work, not paring the evidence to have it point in the direction you wish.
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Old 04-12-2009, 09:50 AM
 
Location: NC, USA
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The small, pale bone between those labeled “a” and “b” is from a modern boa, which is typically about 10 feet long.
Dang Bubba, I spent a year in W.Africa and saw a lot of Boa in the rain forest, a 10 ft. Boa is a baby, 14 to 16 feet is closer to the norm, and the fully matured adults are really big.
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Old 04-12-2009, 09:55 AM
 
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Originally Posted by broadbill View Post
A couple of points:

1. Your link stated that this snake was discovered by so-called creation scientists. Not true. This is the reference to the original paper:

Head JJ, Block JI, Hastings AK, Bourque JR, Cadena EA, Herrera FA, Polly D, Jaramillo CA (2009) Giant boid snake from the Palaeocene neotropics reveals hotter past equatorial temperatures. Nature 457(7230):715-718.

No "creation scientists" involved in this discovery. The article you linked contains information that is patently FALSE.

Your article has a COMMENT by a creation scientist...a James Harneckie, PhD. By the way, a Pubmed search shows that James Harneckie has no publications whatsoever, and I question if he even has the scientific credentials to comment on the merit of such findings. In fact, he doesn't even show up on Google!

2. Logic quiz. Does this statment really make sense to you?

The bones of a giant snake was discovered...therefore it is be the snake described in Genesis story of creation. At least this is Harneckie's logic (again makes me question his scientific credentials).
I think where you mis-step here is in your approach. In search for truth, you are not supposed to question things and utilize 'logic'.
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Old 04-12-2009, 10:05 AM
 
Location: New York City
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If I have Seeker's track record pegged correctly, I think he just posted the article for debate as opposed to him believing in such a thing. Just my wild guess.

On the other hand, there are probably some on here who actually might wax orgasmic over the idea that here's yet another example of the bible being proved.
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