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I doubt it. I've heard tons of atheist arguments on this forum, but nothing convincing me of atheism. The only people an atheist could reach are those who already have atheistic tendencies.
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I doubt it. I've heard tons of xiann arguments on this forum, but nothing convincing me of xianity . The only people a xian could reach are those who already have xian tendencies.
I doubt it. I've heard tons of xiann arguments on this forum, but nothing convincing me of xianity . The only people a xian could reach are those who already have xian tendencies.
I agree. But you have no argument against Theism. Otherwise why would you make a false argument trying to use one particular religion.
In other words, atheistic dogma is no better than any other fundamentalism.
I agree. But you have no argument against Theism. Otherwise why would you make a false argument trying to use one particular religion.
In other words, atheistic dogma is no better than any other fundamentalism.
I might change that a tad ozzy. List the traits of a fundamentalist. then ask, "does atheism have these types of people?" the answer of "yes" is far more valid. The dogma part, though has it's merits, doesn't really apply to all atheist.
then list how people with those personality traits would express a belief. Any belief. socialism, capitalism, theism, atheism. listing personality traits, along with the understanding of addiction, abuse, and mental illness is by far and away a better predictor of what us regular folk are up against than a statement of belief about god.
rational people are rational people. Rational people hold rational beliefs. Its just too bad rational atheist/theist choose sides based on playing follow the leaders.
I doubt it. I've heard tons of xiann arguments on this forum, but nothing convincing me of xianity . The only people a xian could reach are those who already have xian tendencies.
They are often very good, or at least ingenious. I always recall reading a library book 'Weaving Together' the resurrection accounts, so what could not be overlooked (the second angel was there didn't say anything so Mark didn't mention him) was explained as separate events, so the effect was the characters (or perhaps different ones with the same name) rushing back and forth from the tomb like a Brian Rix farce without ever crashing into each other. I regret that i never got myself a copy. It was clever, but over complicated.
But I recall the blurb read "I read this with increasing excitement". Yeah, I bet. There was his increasing doubt (through being made aware of the discrepancies) that the resurrection could be true put to sleep and his Bias confirmed by this adroit fiddling of the story (I seem to recall that a few tricky bits were simply ignored). Sure. It can convince someone who so much wants to be convinced that they aren't likely to be too critical is a couple of problems can be explained away, the others can just be ignored.
I don't myself see haw the resurrections, honestly and squarely looked at, working without a lot of extra screenplay written in like Jesus, after he told Mary at the tomb (John) "Later I'm in a hurry right now" borrowing a horse from one of the angels (they had to be there for some reason than asking one stupid question) galloping on horseback to overtake Cleophas, and covering his face with a trilby like Marty mcFly on his 2nd visit to the dance under the sea "Hey fellas, who's the dude over there with the crazy hat over his face?" galloping back to Jerusalem in time to Flash in front of the astonished Cephas (Luke 24.35) and go lie down for a bit before his evening appearance and well - earned fish supper (Luke).
I agree. But you have no argument against Theism. Otherwise why would you make a false argument trying to use one particular religion.
In other words, atheistic dogma is no better than any other fundamentalism.
You keep getting this wrong. Atheism doesn't NEED an argument against theism (by which you surely mean goddunnit, because otherwise "Which God" makes the argument religion -specific) and all atheism needs to do is say "No particular reason to believe in "goddunnit" - theism and none to believe in any particular religion." Burden of proof is on the claimant for a God dunnitting, not for we atheists disprovitting.
But in fact (as i am astonished to perceive you have apparently missed) there are some fair arguments Not to suppose a god dunnit. So you have nothing and what little evidence there is for what you call "Theism" is on the atheist side.
I agree. But you have no argument against Theism. Otherwise why would you make a false argument trying to use one particular religion.
In other words, atheistic dogma is no better than any other fundamentalism.
Several people have asked you to cite some examples of this "atheist dogma" you mentioned. When are you going to do that?
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Originally Posted by OzzyRules
I see atheism as being a claim that needs proof. Just like you and I both need to see proof of a particular deity.
Why would anybody need proof for a belief statement? Be definition, an atheist is a person with no belief in an God or gods. Just the same, a theist is a person who believes in a God or in gods. These are belief positions, not knowledge positions where one might find evidence, or in some cases, proof.
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