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This of course also ignores the Chinese were recording history well before the YEC timeline and do not mention a global flood or tamed vegetarian T-Rexs. Or the one Christian God figure. This is all subjective Christian fantasy in support of their larger fantasy.
Language was confounded and the race of Adam was scattered over the earth after Babel's tower rebellion by the tribes of Adam, which rebellion was led by Nimrod & Co, in league with demons and evil angels.
No written language goes back older than the time of the confounding of the mother tongue at the time of the fall of the tower of Babel, except for the pre-flood, edenic language, from which all are confounded/mingled/mixed up, from.
As to the Chinese, their first tribal language divided from the edenic, was put to writing after Babel, by some godly, God fearing man, who understood the message of Genesis, from the beginning; and who understood even the message of the prophets of God, who spoke of the Son of Man who was to come, and of His redemption of the race of Adam, by His Atoning sacrifice, from the beginning of the world.
Our Taiwanese son-in-law and his friend [and our friend, through him] from China entertained us one evening with the old Chinese characters used in writing Mandarin, which, certain characters of, show the creation story as Genesis teaches us.
In looking at the Chinese history in light of the Book of Genesis, it will be helpful to look first at the earliest known religion in China. Later, we will see how this ancient religion fits in with the Biblical account of ancient history.
The earliest account of religious worship in China is found in the Shu Jing (Book of History of Book of Documents), the oldest Chinese historical source. This book records that in the year 2230 B.C., the Emperor Shun “sacrificed to Shangdi.” That is, he sacrificed to the supreme God of the ancient Chinese, Shangdi meaning Supreme Ruler. This ceremony came to be known as the “BorderSacrifice,” because at the summer solstice and Emperor took part in ceremonies to the earth on the northern border of the country, and at the winter solstice he offered a sacrifice to heaven on the southern border.
The Chinese have been called one of the most history-conscious and tradition-conscious peoples of the world. This is seen in many aspects of Chinese culture. Perhaps it is seen most of all in this very BorderSacrifice which the Emperor performed twice a year. This ceremony, which goes back at least to 2230 B.C. was continued in China for over four thousand years, up until the fall of the Manchus in A. D. 1911. Even though the people gradually lost an understanding of what the ceremony was all about, and Shangdi was obscured behind all kinds of pagan deities in China, nevertheless the worship of the oneGod, Shangdi, was continued faithfully by the Emperor up into modern times.
The oldest text of the BorderSacrifice that we have dates from the Ming Dynasty. It is the exact text of the ceremony that was performed in A. D. 1538, which was based on the existing ancient records of the original rituals. Let us look at portions of the recitation script that the Emperor used Above: The Circular Mound Altar of the Temple of Heaven
in Beijing, built in A. D. 1420, where the Emperor
would offer sacrifice. Temple of Heaven Photo and caption
courtesy of Hieromonk Damascene
The Emperor, as the high priest, was the only one to participate in the service. The ceremony began: “Of old in the beginning, there was the great chaos, without form and dark. The five elements [planets] had not begun to revolve, nor the sun and the moon to shine. In the midst thereof there existed neither forms for sound. Thou, O spiritual Sovereign, camest forth in Thy presidency, and first didst divide the grosser parts from the purer. Thou madest heaven; Thou madest earth; Thou madest man. All things with their reproductive power got their being.” This recitation praising Shangdi as Creator of heaven and earth sounds surprisingly like the first chapter of Genesis: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep” (Genesis 1: 1- 2).
So, in the earliest records of Chinese religion, we see that the people worshiped OneGod, Who was Creator of all. We also see that the original people of China looked at Shangdi with a sense of love and a filial feeling. The Emperor continued his prayer: “Thou hast vouchsafed, O Di, to hear us, for Thou regardest us as a Father. I, Thy child, dull and unenlightened, am unable to show forth my dutiful feelings.”
As the ceremony concludes, Shangdi is praised for His loving kindness: “Thy sovereign goodness is infinite. As a potter, Thou hast made all living things. Thy sovereign goodness is infinite. Great and small are sheltered [by Thee]. As engraven on the heart of Thy poor servant is the sense of Thy goodness, so that my feeling cannot be fully displayed. With great kindness Thou dost bear us, and not withstanding our shortcomings, dost grant us life and prosperity.”
These last two recitations, taken together, bear the same simile as found in the Prophecy of Isaiah in the Bible: “But now, O Lord, Thou art our Father; we are the clay, and Thou our Potter and we all are the work of Thy hand” (Isaiah 64: 8).
In general, reading the text of the BorderSacrifice reminds one strongly of the prayers of the ancient Hebrews as found in the Old Testament: the same reverent awe before God, the same selfabasement, humility and gratitude before His greatness. For us Christians, these most ancient of Chinese prayers to God are strangely familiar. Why is this? It seems that the most ancient Chinese religion and the ancient Hebrew religion are drawn from the same source. And that is indeed the case, as we will see. 2. The Book of Genesis and the Beginnings of China
Let us begin at the beginning. Adam and Eve, as we know from the book of Genesis, were cast out of Paradise, and Cherubim with flaming swords guarded the East Gate of Eden so that Adam and Eve could not return to it. Paradise, according to tradition, was on a high place, like a mountain. Adam and Eve remained near to Paradise, “over against” it according to the Greek (Septuagint) version. They remained on a high place, viewed Paradise from afar, and lamented what they had lost. God placed it into the minds of Adam’s sons Cain and Abel (and, we assume, Adam himself) to offer sacrifice. They would have done this near to the border of Eden. The sacrifice, of course, was not enough to save mankind, or open to him the Paradise and the access to heaven which he lost. However, God placed in man the idea of sacrifice in order to prepare man to understand the Sacrifice that would save man: the Sacrifice of the Son of God on the Cross. Adam lived to be 930 years old. According to the Hebrew genealogy, Adam lived at the same time as Noah’s father Lamech: Lamech was 56 years old when Noah died. According to the genealogy in the Greek version of the Old Testament, there about a thousand years more time between Adam and Noah, so there would have been another generation. But, at any rate, Noah would have heard about the creation and the Fall from his father Lamech, who was only one, and perhaps two, generations removed from Adam himself. This gives us an idea of how direct the knowledge was that Noah had.
The Great Flood occurred, according to the Biblical reckoning, in approximately 2348 B.C. It was a global Flood which wiped out the entire earth and all human beings except for Noah, his wife, his three sons, and their wives (8 people in all).
The Bible says that, when Noah got off the Ark after the Flood, the first thing he did was to offer sacrifice to God, just as his forefather Adam had once done. In fact, before the Flood Noah had brought on the Ark with him some animals which were specifically meant to be offered in sacrifice, in addition to all the other animals that were on the Ark. So, the religion of Noah, which he had received from his forefather Adam, included the sacrifice of animals.
Only 101 years after the Flood, evil abounded again; and therefore, as the Bible tells us, “the earth was divided.” This occurred at the Tower of Babel, when God confounded the languages, and people began to be scattered about the earth. The Tower of Babel incident occurred at about 2247 B. C . And it is soon after this point that Chinese history begins.
The original people of China were undoubtedly a group of people (of unknown number) who traveled to China from Babel. It is probable that most of the people living in China today have descended from this original group.
Many Christians who have looked into this question have suggested that, in the Genesis “table of nations” chronicling the language groups migrating from Babel, the “Sinite people” (Genesis 10: 17) could refer to the group that became the Asian peoples.
Whether or not this is the case, here is a very interesting fact to consider: According to the Chinese records, the establishment of China’s first dynasty, the Hsia (Xia) dynasty, occurred in 2205 B.C. Modern scholars ascribe a somewhat later date of between 2100 and 2000 B.C. Therefore, depending on which reckoning one accepts, the establishment of China’s first dynasty occurred anywhere from 42 to 205 years after the approximate date of the Tower of Babel incident. That was the time it took for the protoChinese to migrate to China from present- day Iraq (the site of the Tower of Babel) and already begin their dynastic civilization.
From the Bible we know that Noah lived 350 years after the Flood. So the founding of China’s first dynasty occurred while Noah was still alive.
The first people of China could have heard about the creation, the Fall, and life before the Flood from Noah himself. And Noah, as we have said, could have learned about these things, through one or at most two intermediaries, from Adam himself. This gives us an idea of how close were the first Chinese people to the first man, Adam.
We know that when the original settlers of China came to their new land, they brought the religion of Noah with them. We know this from the BorderSacrifice of which we spoke earlier. The BorderSacrifice was like the sacrifices of Noah, which were like the sacrifices of Adam. And, as we have seen, the God that was invoked at the Border Sacrifices was the OneGod, the Creator of universe, that both Noah and Adam worshiped. The prayers that were at the ChineseBorderSacrifice bear remarkable similarity to the prayers of the ancient Hebrews because both come from the same source: the religion of Noah.
An interesting point to ponder is why the Chinese called their sacrifices “Border Sacrifices,” and why the Emperor traditionally performed them at the border of the Empire. We know that Adam would have performed his sacrifices outside the borders of Paradise, probably as close as possible to Paradise, outside the Gate that was guarded by the Cherubim. It is possible that the ChineseBorderSacrifice were based on the tradition of a “bordersacrifice” from the time of Adam.
As we have said, the Sacrifices— whether of Adam, Noah, or the Chinese Emperors— could not save mankind from the consequences of the Fall: death, and eternal separation from God. They could not get man back into Paradise. For this, a totally pure and unblemished sacrifice had to be offered, by a totally pure and sinless human being: one who would be the Second Adam and set aright what Adam had ruined. This sacrifice was offered for all time by Jesus Christ, the “Second Adam.” And another interesting point: Just as the first Adam had offered his sacrifice outside the Gates of Eden, the Second Adam offered His Sacrifice outside the Gates of the Holy City of Jerusalem, when He was taken outside the city to be crucified.
Christ fulfilled what was prefigured by the sacrifices of Adam and Noah, and by the Border Sacrifices that were offered by the Chinese from the very beginning of their history. 3. Chinese Recorded History in Light of the Bible
Let us go back now and look at the recorded history of China in light of what we’ve just been talking about, that is, in light of the Biblical history of the world.
We’ve already mentioned the oldest book of Chinese recorded history: the Shu Jing, or Book of Documents. This book was written in about 1000 B.C. and was based on material from the Shang Dynasty, which began in 1700 B.C. (1700 B.C., by the way, is 200 years before the time of Moses, who wrote the book of Genesis.) Even if we assume that the original materials for the Shu Jing came from the beginning of the Shang Dynasty in 1700 B.C., this means that at least 500 years would have passed from the beginning of China to the first written record of its history.
The first thing that students of Chinese history learn is that Chinese history began with a Flood. This is not surprising, since we know that ancient peoples from all the continents of the world have a story of a Great Flood which covered all the earth as a judgment on man’s sin. In many cases, the details are remarkably like the details recorded in the book of Genesis. The Aboriginal peoples of Australia, for example, speak of a global flood and how only eight people escaped it in a canoe.
Above: Noah with his family, having come out of the Ark,
offer a sacrifice upon an altar. 16th- century Russian icon.
Icon image and caption courtesy of Hieromonk Damascene
The flood story was the most pervasive of all the other legends in ancient China. The Shu Jing records: “The flood waters are everywhere, destroying everything as they rise above the hills and swell up to heaven.”
Since the Shu Jing only begins with Chinese history, however, this statement does not refer to the global Flood, but rather to the local flooding that was caused in China by the remnants of the Great Flood. The Shu Jing speaks of how, after the Great Flood, some of the land was not yet habitable because the flood waters were still inundating the land. This was certainly possible. The time between the Flood and the founding of the first Chinese dynasty was as little as 143 years, and we would expect that huge pockets of water would have been on the land at that time, which are not there today. This phenomenon of post- Flood water- pockets is described in the book Grand Canyon: Monument to Catastrophe, written by a geologist, Steven Austin. Dr. Austin is a believer in the Biblical account of the Flood, and in this book he posits that Grand Canyon was formed by a huge pocket of water that was left over from the Flood, and which broke loose over the land. Since the layers of sediments had recently formed during the Flood and the land was still soft, the leftover Flood waters were able to carve out the magnificent Grand Canyon.
Going back to ancient China: These leftover Flood waters made parts of the land uninhabitable. At that time, according to Chinese history, there were the first righteous Chinese Emperors, Yao and Shun: the first emperors to offer the Border Sacrifices to Shangdi. To a man named Kun given the task of ridding the land of the flood waters, but he was not able to do so. It was not until Kun’s son, Yu, devised a new technique to channel the waters out to sea that the land was eventually made habitable. Yu the Great
It took nine years for Yu to channel the waters out to sea. He became a hero because of this amazing feat. As a result, Shun turned the rulership over to Yu. Yu became emperor, thus beginning China’s first dynasty, the Xia. After that, China’s dynastic culture lasted almost another four thousand years.
There do exist legends about dynasties in China before the Xia dynasty, but these dynasties are of a different sort, with questionable details attributed to them and very long lives ascribed to their people. The Xia dynasty is the first precisely documented dynasty. Christian geologist Dr. John Morris suggests that the well documented dynasties date to dispersion from Babel, “while the prior dynasties were faded memories of pre- Flood patriarchs, preserved as legends.” Emperor Yu of the Xia dynasty “evidently gained prominence when he engineered the draining of swampy land left saturated by leftover flood waters. His following dynasty commenced about the time of Abraham or so, and the memories of long- lived patriarchs of pre- Flood days became legends of early dynasties.” 4. Indications of Ancient Chinese Knowledge of the Creation and the Global Flood
So, now we have looked at Chinese history in relation to the Bible. If we start with the most ancient record of Chinese history, the Shu Jing, we find that the history of ancient China matches very well with the history of mankind as recorded in the Bible. (The Shu Jing, by the way, was the source of Chinese history used by Confucius, considered by him to be the most authentic source of Chinese history.)...read more at the link
So you worship a man, Darwin, who has a "gods-word" degree which he did not even practice with nor believe the foundation of, anyway? Not a drop of real 'science' in the man, and certainly no belief in "God's Word"!
Baugh, Fell, Patton -and whomever else you have falsely slandered in these posts- have more education, from more colleges and universities, and more real science training and practical experience in their subjects of interest in their lives, than your hero, Darwin, ever had.
I don't knwo why I bother responding to you, it reminds me too much of the time I spent workinf as a guard in a mental institution.
Firstly, I do not "worship" (ie blind devotion and unthinking belief) Darwin. Darwin has little to do with modern Evolutionary Science. But when a large group of people all trained and degreed in specific disciplines and sciences, and who all represent a wide relgiious demographic from Christians to Athiests, all concur and agree on somthing after rigerous testing and peer review, it is quite safe to say that something is a fact.
When one person who doesn't have any formal training on something (as evdiecned by a related degree), states something, and that soemthing does NOT pass the simple peer review process, it is quite safe to say that that individual is WRONG. ESPECIALLY when said person either does NOT have adequet training in that specific field, as evidenced by a degree in that field, or, as in the case of Baugh and others LIED about their degrees and have no degree from an accredited school.
Evolution is a proven fact. The hoaxes and frauds you insist on providing are proven hoaxes and frauds, in other words LIES.
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Now, as to Moses... bla bla bla... as the Book of Jasher tells of [which book Moses wrote, along with the Torah].
I just get a kick out of how much you have to rely on proven frauds, like the "Book of Jasher", written by an anti-religious publisher jailed for fraud for creating it. Keep up the good work, the Athiests need you.
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So who is Darwin? -just a little nothing, a nobody, who knew nothing, understood nothing, and who is debunked in all true science; yet you follow this debunked nothing, this nobody, and glory in his shameless vanity, making yourself out to be wise in doing so, and showing for all the eternal ages your foolishness.
Sure, a little nobody who took mankind's thoughts away from fantasy and directed them towards science and reality, a movement which has eventually led to the proven science and theory of Evolution.
BTW, which "proven science" is it you speak of? The Book of Jasher? Fake Ica Stones proven frauds by the man who ADMITTED to creating them? Dragons fighting on a worn brass pictoral on a Bishop's tomb you claim are dinos? Clay statues no legitimate meuseum will take because they are clearly proven to be hoaxes? (love the two legged one, HA!) The research of two men who had no formal training in Linguistics whose work doesn't even rate the title of pseudoscience by the Linguistics community?
Seriously, based on my experiences working as a guard for a mental institution, I woudl strongly suggest you go get yourself checked out...
In 19176, paleoanthropologist Andrew Hill and a colleague were taking a break, playing around, tossing elephant dung at each other in Laetoli, a hominid archeological site in Tanzania. As Hill dived out of the way, he stumbled on what turned out to be one of the wonders of prehistoric finds: a trail of hominid footprints about 3.6 million years old.
The majority of the Laetoli footprint site was excavated in 1978. Until then, the oldest known footprints of human ancestors were tens of thousands of years old. But this trail, some 80 feet long and preserved in cementlike volcanic ash, had been made by some of the first upright-walking hominids. An almost unimaginable sequence of events preserved what paleontologist Ian Tattersall calls a fossil of human behavior -- prehistoric walking.
Initially, a nearby volcano called Sadiman erupted a cloud of fine ash, like beach sand, that left a layer on the landscape. Then a light rain fell onto the ash to create something like wet cement -- an ideal material for trapping footprints. Birds and mammals left a great number of prints, but, spectacularly, so did a pair of hominids, one large and one small, trekking across the ash. (Some analysts conclude that it is possible to detect the trail of a third, smaller individual whose tracks overlap the footprints left by one of the others.) A subsequent eruption from Sadiman dropped more ash, sealing the footprints like a laminated driver's license. Finally, erosion over millions of years unveiled the prints for Hill and other researchers in Mary Leakey's group to discover.
The prints, say experts on hominid body structure, are strikingly different from those of a chimpanzee, and in fact are hardly distinguishable from those of modern humans. The only known hominid fossils of that age in that location are those of Lucy and her kind, the small-brained but upright-walking hominids classified as Australopithecus afarensis. Some analysts have noted that the smaller of the two clearest trails bears telltale signs that suggest whoever left the prints was burdened on one side -- perhaps a female carrying an infant on her hip. While the detailed interpretation of the prints remains a matter of debate, they remain an extraordinary and fascinating fossil find, preserving a moment in prehistoric time.
For information on the various dating methods used to date sites of this age, go here:
The skull of one of those early hominids (not humans) was found in the general location by Ludwig Kohl-Larsen in 1934.
This amazing and extremly rare find merely coincides with and reinforces the timeline of human evolution as shown by such other archeological evidence as "Lucy", another example of early hominids.
Well, that is the point, isn't it -if you have followed the conversation?
But as to Darwin, he was not a true scientist; he had no degrees in the subjects he wrote of, and he certainly did not understand even what he was saying, which is all debunked, even by evolutionists, anyway.
Baugh has absolutely no degrees, not even one in Theology, yet you take his word as gospel.
Dr. Baugh earned his Doctorate degree in Theology from LBU in 2005. He is the founder and director of the Creation Evidence Museum in Glen Rose, Texas. He is also a national and international lecturer on the subject of biblical creation.
Carl Baugh is the author of "Why Do Men Believe Evolution AGAINST ALL ODDS?," "Dinosaur, Scientific Evidence that Man and Dinosaurs Walked Together," and "Panorama of Creation." He is also the author and narrator of the following videos: Creation in Symphony: The Evidence and Creation in Symphony: The Model
Born: October 21, 1936 Degrees:
Doctor of Theology
(2005, Louisiana Baptist University)
Doctor of Philosophy in Education
(1989, Pacific College of Graduate Studies)
Masters in Archaeology
(1984, Pacific College of Graduate Studies)
Bachelor of Arts
(1961, Burton College)
Graduate of Theology
(1959, Baptist Bible College, Valedictorian)
High School Diploma
(1955, Abilene High School, Honor Graduate) International Lecturer in Scientific Creation … Brief list of such guest lectures held:
Texas A & M University
Texas A & M University, Galveston Campus
University of Texas at Arlington
Western Illinois University
Tarleton University
Texas Christian University
Southern Methodist University
Texas Tech University
Baptist University of America
Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge Campus
University of Kentucky
Queens Hall, Trinidad
Appeared on CBS TV Network Special: “The Incredible Discovery of Noah’s Ark”
Appeared on CBS TV Network Special: “Ancient Secrets in the Bible”
Appeared on NBC TV Network Special: “Mysterious Origins of Man”
Appeared on two national Japanese TV Networks on Dinosaurs and Man
Interviews on ABC and CBS Radio Networks on Glen Rose excavations
Granted over 500 news interviews on Glen Rose excavations Dr. Baugh is author of:
Why Do Men Believe Evolution AGAINST ALL ODDS?
Dinosaur, Scientific Evidence that Man and Dinosaurs Walked Together
Panorama of Creation
Author and Narrator of Video Series:
Creation in Symphony: The Evidence
Creation in Symphony: The Model
Over 70 guest appearances representing scientific creation on Trinity Broadcasting Networ and is host of a weekly television program - “Creation in the 21st Century.”
Dr. Baugh has been invited as a guest lecturer at NASA headquarters in Green Belt, Maryland as a result of his independent research on the world’s first hyperbaric biosphere.
This biosphere is a simulation of the original ecospheric conditions of Planet Earth. Preliminary results show extended life spans (and enhanced size) of fruit flies, enhanced growth in fish, and structural alteration of snake venom. In his pioneering role as independent researcher in this field, he is President and CEO of Creation Research Systems, Inc.
More than thirty years of his life have been spent researching the atmospheric conditions before the Genesis Flood. From this research he has synthesized the Creation in Symphony Model.
He has excavated an Indian princess for the Archaeology Department of the University of Texas.
His recorded broadcasts include the only radio broadcast made atop Cheops Pyramid in Egypt.
Dr. Baugh is Co-Director of a research team (along with Dr. Don Shockey) searching for Noah’s Ark on Mt. Ararat in Turkey. He personally negotiated a 49-year lease of Mt. Ararat with the Turkish government during the administration of President Uzal.
He has led three scientific expeditions into the rain forests of Papua New Guinea in search of living pterodactyls.
He is the founding Director the Creation Evidence Museum and oversees the hyperbaric biosphere’s physical facility.
His independent research involves the application of technology he has pioneered in biospheric science. This independent research includes hyperbaric pharmaceutical potentials in living plants and animals, energized water systems, energized systems for enhanced production of plants as food sources, energized systems for enhanced production of fishes, energized systems for enhanced production of livestock, and energized water recovery systems.
Dr. Baugh’s accredited doctoral degree and his doctoral dissertation are available on the internet at: Creation Evidence Museum Online - General Information.
Applications for the energized water systems are numerous. One original design is a contiguous acreage of orchards, vegetable gardens, livestock, grazing grounds, fish ponds and drinking water - all fed from a single energized water system.
Several NASA scientists have recognized the scientific nature of the Colorado dinosaur excavation under Baugh’s direction and have participated in four such excavations under his auspices.
Compared to Charles Darwin, the lightweight, non scientist, lazy, non-mathematical, non-scientist;
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taken from his bio, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles...%27s_education His father was unhappy that his younger son would not become a physician and "was very properly vehement against my turning an idle sporting man, which then seemed my probable destination." He therefore enrolled Charles at Christ's College, Cambridge in 1827 for a Bachelor of Arts degree as the qualification required before taking a specialised divinity course and becoming an Anglican parson. He enrolled for an ordinary degree, as at that time only capable mathematicians would take the Tripos (honours) degree.[21][22]
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Language was confounded and the race of Adam was scattered over the earth after Babel's tower rebellion by the tribes of Adam, which rebellion was led by Nimrod & Co, in league with demons and evil angels.
No written language goes back older than the time of the confounding of the mother tongue at the time of the fall of the tower of Babel, except for the pre-flood, edenic language, from which all are confounded/mingled/mixed up, from.
As to the Chinese, their first tribal language divided from the edenic, was put to writing after Babel, by some godly, God fearing man, who understood the message of Genesis, from the beginning; and who understood even the message of the prophets of God, who spoke of the Son of Man who was to come, and of His redemption of the race of Adam, by His Atoning sacrifice, from the beginning of the world.
Our Taiwanese son-in-law and his friend [and our friend, through him] from China entertained us one evening with the old Chinese characters used in writing Mandarin, which, certain characters of, show the creation story as Genesis teaches us.
Where do you get this rubbish?
Purportedly, if the Tower of Babel existed, which in itself is highly doubtful (ther than the bible, there are no contemporaneous writings to confirm this) it would have been during the period of the existence of Babylonia which would have been between 2000 and 323 B.C. (I'll use B.C. rather than Before Common Era simply because you need to stay focused during this little history lesson rather than flying off on another one of your unbalanced little tangents).
Cuneiform, which emerged in Sumer around 3000 B.C.. is the earliest example of writing (although pictographs created during the Uruk period--4000 to 3100--could be considered the predecessors to the Sumerians).
Cuneiform began as a system of pictographs. In the course of the 3rd millennium B.C., the pictorial representations became simplified and more abstract. The number of characters in use also grew gradually smaller, from about 1,000 unique characters in the Early Bronze Age to about 400 unique characters in Late Bronze Age (Hittite cuneiform). Cuneiform writing was gradually replaced by alphabetic writing in the Iron Age Neo-Assyrian Empire and was practically extinct by the beginning of the Common Era. It was deciphered from scratch in 19th century scholarship.
Cuneiform documents were written on clay tablets, using a blunt reed for a stylus. The impressions left by the stylus were wedge shaped, thus giving rise to the name cuneiform ("wedge shaped," from the Latin cuneus, meaning "wedge").
Again--where are you getting your information? Other than the bible or other sources which kowtow to your belief system rather than addressing the issues with KNOWN SCIENTIFIC AND/OR HISTORICAL FACTS?
Baugh has claimed several degrees, at one point professing to earning three doctorates . All three "doctorates" are from unaccredited "schools." One is an honorary "Doctor of Philosophy in Theology" from the non-accredited California Graduate School of Theology. His 1989 "doctorate" and Masters Degree in Archaeology comes from the non-accredited Pacific International University, of which Baugh was the president. His dissertation titled "Academic Justification for Voluntary Inclusion of Scientific Creation in Public Classroom Curricula, Supported by Evidence that Man and Dinosaurs Were Contemporary" was reviewed by Brett Vickers who criticized its "descriptions of his field-work on the Paluxy river 'man-tracks', speculation about Charles Darwin's religious beliefs and phobias, and biblical evidence of Adam's mental excellence." In 2005, Baugh completed a doctorate in Theology from the unaccredited Louisiana Baptist University
Purportedly, if the Tower of Babel existed, which in itself is highly doubtful (ther than the bible, there are no contemporaneous writings to confirm this) it would have been during the period of the existence of Babylonia which would have been between 2000 and 323 B.C. (I'll use B.C. rather than Before Common Era simply because you need to stay focused during this little history lesson rather than flying off on another one of your unbalanced little tangents).
Cuneiform, which emerged in Sumer around 3000 B.C.. is the earliest example of writing (although pictographs created during the Uruk period--4000 to 3100--could be considered the predecessors to the Sumerians).
The widespread use throughout the ancient world of the writing material manufactured from the papyrus plant is attested by early writers, and by documents and sculptures.
Papyrus rolls are represented in ancient Egyptian wall-paintings; and extant examples of the rolls themselves are sufficiently numerous. The most ancient Egyptian papyrus now known contains accounts of the reign of King Assa (35 80 -3536 B.C.).
The earliest literary papyrus is that known, from the name of its former owner, as the Prisse papyrus, and now preserved at Paris, containing a work composed in the reign of a king of the fifth dynasty, and computed to be itself of the age of upwards of 2500 years B,C. The papyri discovered in Egypt have often been found in tombs, and in the hands, or swathed with the bodies, of mummies. The ritual of the dead is most frequently the subject. Besides the ritual and religious rolls, there are the hieratic, civil and literary documents, and the demotic and enchorial papyri, relating generally to sales of property.
Book of 1 Enoch: [Chapter 83] 1 And now, my son Methuselah, I will show thee all my visions which I have seen, recounting 2 them before thee. Two visions I saw before I took a wife, and the one was quite unlike the other: the first when I was learning to write: the second before I took thy mother, (when) I saw a terrible 3 vision. And regarding them I prayed to the Lord. I had laid me down in the house of my grandfather Mahalalel, (when) I saw in a vision how the heaven collapsed and was borne off and fell to 4 the earth. And when it fell to the earth I saw how the earth was swallowed up in a great abyss, and mountains were suspended on mountains, and hills sank down on hills, and high trees were rent 5 from their stems, and hurled down and sunk in the abyss. And thereupon a word fell into my mouth, 6 and I lifted up (my voice) to cry aloud, and said: ' The earth is destroyed.' And my grandfather Mahalalel waked me as I lay near him, and said unto me: ' Why dost thou cry so, my son, and why 7 dost thou make such lamentation?' And I recounted to him the whole vision which I had seen, and he said unto me: ' A terrible thing hast thou seen, my son, and of grave moment is thy dream- vision as to the secrets of all the sin of the earth: it must sink into the abyss and be destroyed with 8 a great destruction. And now, my son, arise and make petition to the Lord of glory, since thou art a believer, that a remnant may remain on the earth, and that He may not destroy the whole 9 earth. My son, from heaven all this will come upon the earth, and upon the earth there will be great 10 destruction. After that I arose and prayed and implored and besought, and wrote down my prayer for the generations of the world, and I will show everything to thee, my son Methuselah. And when I had gone forth below and seen the heaven, and the sun rising in the east, and the moon setting in the west, and a few stars, and the whole earth, and everything as He had known it in the beginning, then I blessed the Lord of judgement and extolled Him because He had made the sun to go forth from the windows of the east, and he ascended and rose on the face of the heaven, and set out and kept traversing the path shown unto him.
In a fragment of Noah included within 1 Enoch, Noah laments having to write books; Noah hated writing, and lamented much as Solomon did.
1. Your bible means squat to me and anything that you quote from the bible to back your wacko statements can't be taken seriously by me or any person who has the intelligence to see beyond your book of fairy tales.
2. Encyclopedia Britannica online is reference material for junior high school students and seems about as reliable as Wikipedia. Cuneiform is accepted throughout the academic world as the first written language--not Egyptian hieroglyphs. There is a difference between a pictograph and a hieroglyph, but why would you even understand that?
3. By referencing said "material" you just torpedoed your own ship.
Nicely done! Perhaps you can join Noah and Solomon in the lamentation circle...
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Above: The Circular Mound Altar of the Temple of Heaven
