Just wondering (atheism, worship, Abraham, beliefs)

[kdbrich]

Originally Posted by AxisMundi

I think some people look for the simple solution, ie "God did it".

Our orbit varies widley, as pointed out earlier in this thread.

Had we been closer, or farther, we would've adapted accordingly.

There are many theories why mars has no life, icnluding not recieving enough atmosphere in the same manner the Earth did, however, it still lies within the nominal orbiting range for supporting life.

I can't see how someone can NOT look at the simple solution of "God did it".

There is no other explanation for the existence of everything. It's the only logical one.

I'm sorry, but to look at the facts and hold to atheism is just irrational.

[AxisMundi]

Originally Posted by kdbrich

I can't see how someone can NOT look at the simple solution of "God did it".

There is no other explanation for the existence of everything. It's the only logical one.

I'm sorry, but to look at the facts and hold to atheism is just irrational.

YOU speaking of facts is rather hilarious.

So, what proof of your god do you hold up for us to see?

What "facts" do you offer to substantiate that your "god did it?"

[kdbrich]

Originally Posted by AxisMundi

YOU speaking of facts is rather hilarious.

So, what proof of your god do you hold up for us to see?

What "facts" do you offer to substantiate that your "god did it?"

cause ----> effect


It's simple. It's scientific. It's rational, and logical.

But then, the new crop of atheists nowadays aren't exactly known for being rational and logical.

[Boxcar Overkill]

Why claim that a magical God is responsible for everything you can't understand?

Why can't you just say, "I'm not sure."

Just because you don't know how something started, that doesn't not automatically mean that thee is a supernatural being that has magic.

Afterall, by your logic, a God couldn't exist without something having created it.

[kdbrich]

Originally Posted by Boxcar Overkill

Why claim that a magical God is responsible for everything you can't understand?

Why can't you just say, "I'm not sure."

Just because you don't know how something started, that doesn't not automatically mean that thee is a supernatural being that has magic.

Afterall, by your logic, a God couldn't exist without something having created it.

There's really only 2 choices: either something created it...or it came about w/out a creator. There is no other rational choice. We can reject the idea that it created itself. The only logical, rational choice is that there is a creator.

Therefore, atheism is not rational.

[Boxcar Overkill]

You believe in a God, so either something created God or God came about w/out a creator. Do you reject the idea that God created himself?


Why do you accept that a God could have always existed, but not accept that matter could have always existed, or even that it was created out of energy?

[Tymberwulf]

Originally Posted by AxisMundi

YOU speaking of facts is rather hilarious.

So, what proof of your god do you hold up for us to see?

What "facts" do you offer to substantiate that your "god did it?"

Trying to prove God exists to an atheist is like trying to prove the color orange exist to a person who was born blind. You just don't have the sense to perceive what is there.

Either through choice, bad upbringing, or mental damage atheists have lost the sense that can feel the presence of God, and for that I am truly sorry for them. Hopefully someday they will recover that sense or begin to use it again before it is to late for them.

[scarmig]

Originally Posted by kdbrich

There's really only 2 choices: either something created it...or it came about w/out a creator. There is no other rational choice. We can reject the idea that it created itself. The only logical, rational choice is that there is a creator.

Therefore, atheism is not rational.

Or it always existed. Three! Three choices! Ah HA HA!

The only "logical" "rational" conclusion is the one supported by evidence.

[scarmig]

Originally Posted by Tymberwulf

Trying to prove God exists to an atheist is like trying to prove the color orange exist to a person who was born blind. You just don't have the sense to perceive what is there.

Either through choice, bad upbringing, or mental damage atheists have lost the sense that can feel the presence of God, and for that I am truly sorry for them. Hopefully someday they will recover that sense or begin to use it again before it is to late for them.

It's because my mother didn't breastfeed me as baby.

[AREQUIPA]

There is really no way one can ask these people to be logical. The mantra 'nothing can come from nothing so God dunnit' cannot be countered by saying that no-one knows for sure.

They know because the conditions in which life developed must have been specially planned to suit the life that was also specially planned. Evidence that it developed gradually is dismissed as a Darwinist lie.

Since they see and are willing to admit to no other possibility other than 'God', I have to ask 'which god'?

So I'm asking Kdbrich and Lionpainter and the rest: assuming for the sake of argument, that we take a creative First Cause as a starting point, so what?