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Old 09-24-2009, 12:16 PM
 
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the most caracter for a God , He can creat !!!!
1-Jesus did not created any thing !!! on the contrary he was created...as God created Eve from male without female and created Adam without male and female , and created us from male and female
2-God never killed by the human as sacrfice !!! Adam who did that sin, it suppose to be that Adam who gave the sacrfice to GOD !!! Not GOd sacrfice him self !!!!
4- God don't creat God (partner)...because all his messengers before Jesus (Moses,Noah,Ibrahim,Muhammad...etc)
came to inform that there is one God
and the Bible confirm that in these verses :
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Jesus did not did the miracle without His God :

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Old 09-24-2009, 01:14 PM
 
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the most caracter for a God , He can creat !!!!
1-Jesus did not created any thing !!! on the contrary he was created...as God created Eve from male without female and created Adam without male and female , and created us from male and female
2-God never killed by the human as sacrfice !!! Adam who did that sin, it suppose to be that Adam who gave the sacrfice to GOD !!! Not GOd sacrfice him self !!!!
4- God don't creat God (partner)...because all his messengers before Jesus (Moses,Noah,Ibrahim,Muhammad...etc)
came to inform that there is one God
and the Bible confirm that in these verses :
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Jesus did not did the miracle without His God :
I agree!
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Old 09-24-2009, 01:25 PM
 
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a "magic" god can do whatever he wants. Do you really intend to prove Jesus is not god to the world with scripture?!
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Old 09-24-2009, 01:58 PM
 
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a "magic" god can do whatever he wants. Do you really intend to prove Jesus is not god to the world with scripture?!
first : Jesus did not wrote the bible ....
second all the events prove that Jesus is a messenger by God ... it's miracle how GOD created him... But it's not impossible for our GOD to creat what he want , by the way he want
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Old 10-03-2009, 10:10 PM
 
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Default Jesus is God

Jesus is God the truth of this is made very clear in the Bible. God makes it very clear that there is no savior but him.
Isaiah 44:11
It is I, I the Lord; there is no savior but me.
Isaiah 45:21
Come here and declare in counsel together: Who announced this from the beginning and foretold it from the old? Was it not I, the Lord, besides whom there is no other God? There is no just and saving God but me.
Isaiah 60:16
You shall suck the milk of nations, and be nursed at royal breasts; You shall know that I, the Lord, am your savior, your redeemer, the mighty one of Jacob.
Hosea 13:4
I am the Lord, your God since the land of Egypt; You know no God besides me, and there is no savior but me.

So you ask me the question what does this have to do with Jesus? It has everything to do with Jesus because Jesus is our Lord and Savior.
Luke 2:11
For today in the city of David a savior has been born for you who is Messiah and Lord.
Philippians 3:20
But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we also await a savior the Lord Jesus Chirst.
Titus 2:13, 3:6
As we await the blessed hope, the appearance of the glory of the great God and of our savior Jesus Chirst. 3:6 Whom he richly poured out on us through Jesus Christ our savior.
2 Peter 1:1, 2:20, 3:18
Symeon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have received a faith of equal value to ours through the righteousness of our God and savior Jesus Christ.2:20 For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of [our] Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them their last condition is worse than their first. 3:18 But grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory now and to the day of eternity.

God clearly says that there is no savior but him, so who then is Jesus Christ if he is also our savior?
Acts 20:28
Keep watch over yourselves and over the whole flock of which the holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, in which you tend the church of God the he acquired with his own blood.

How can God shed his own blood if he did not become man? Jesus is God made flesh and he is the one who shed his blood to save us. God is our only savior, but yet so is Jesus and he is not God? God shed his blood but Jesus also shed his blood and he is not God?
Isaiah 44:6
Thus says the Lord, Israel's King and redeemer, the Lord of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; there is no God but me.
God says he is the first and the last Jesus also say this.
Revelation 1:17,18
When I caught sight of him, I fell down at his feet as though dead. He touched me with his right hand and said, "Do not be afraid. I am the first and the last, 18 *the one who lives. Once I was dead, but now I am alive forever and ever. I hold the keys to death and the netherworld.

Jesus Christ is God. God made flesh why? To dye for us so we can be with him forever. Jesus is part of the Holy Trinity one God but 3 persons, the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.
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Old 10-04-2009, 05:47 AM
 
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The Message of Jesus
We have already established that Jesus, son of Mary, or as he is called by Muslims, Eissa ibn Maryam, performed his first miracle while cradled in Mary’s arms. By the permission of God he spoke, and his first words were “I am a slave of God,” (Quran 19:30). He did not say “I am God” or even “I am the son of God”. His first words established the foundation of his message, and his mission: to call the people back, to the pure worship of One God.
At the time of Jesus, the concept of One God was not new to the Children of Israel. The Torah had proclaimed “Hear O Israel, the Lord your God is One,” (Deuteronomy: 4). However, God’s revelations had been misinterpreted and abused, and hearts had become hardened. Jesus came to denounce the leaders of the Children of Israel, who had fallen into lives of materialism and luxury, and to uphold the law of Moses found in the Torah which they had even changed.
Jesus’ mission was to confirm the Torah, to make lawful things that were previously unlawful and to proclaim and reaffirm the belief in One Creator. Prophet Muhammad said:
“Every Prophet was sent to his nation exclusively, but I was sent to all mankind,” (Saheeh Buhw-hkhari).
Thus, Jesus was sent to the Israelites.
God says in Quran that He would teach Jesus the Torah, the Gospel and the Wisdom.
“And He will teach him the Book and the Wisdom, the Torah and the Injeel.” (Quran 3:48)
In order to effectively spread his message, Jesus understood the Torah, and he was provided with his own revelation from God – the Injeel, or Gospel. God also endowed Jesus with the ability to guide and influence his people with signs and miracles.
God supports all of His Messengers with miracles that are observable and make sense to the people the Messenger has been sent to guide. At the time of Jesus, the Israelites were very knowledgeable in the field of medicine. Consequently, the miracles Jesus performed (by the permission of God) were of this nature and included returning sight to the blind, healing lepers and raising the dead. God said:
“And you heal those born blind and the lepers by My leave. And behold! You bring forth the dead by My leave.” (Quran 5:10)
The Child Jesus

Neither the Quran nor the Bible refers to the boyhood of Jesus. We can imagine, however, that as a son in the family of Imran, he was a pious child devoted to learning and eager to influence the children and adults around him. After mentioning Jesus speaking in the cradle, the Quran immediately recounts the story of Jesus moulding the figure of a bird from clay. He blew into it and by God’s leave it became a bird.
“I design for you out of clay, as it were the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God’s Leave.” (Quran 3:49)
The Infancy Gospel of Thomas, one of a set of texts written by early Christians but not accepted into the tenet of the Old Testament, also refers to this story. It recounts in some detail the story of the young Jesus fashioning birds from clay and breathing life into them. Although fascinating, Muslims believe the message of Jesus only as it is recounted in the Quran and the narrations of Prophet Muhammad.
Muslims are required to believe in all the books revealed by God to mankind. However, the Bible, as it exists today, is not the Gospel that was revealed to Prophet Jesus. The words and wisdom of God given to Jesus have been lost, hidden, changed and distorted. The fate of the texts of the Apocrypha of which the Infancy Gospel of Thomas is one is testament to this. In 325AD, the Emperor Constantine attempted to unify the fractured Christian Church by calling a meeting of Bishops from all over the known world. This meeting became known as the Council of Nicaea, and its legacy was a doctrine of Trinity, previously inexistent, and the loss of somewhere between 270 and 4000 gospels. The council ordered the burning of all gospels not deemed worthy to be in the new Bible, and the Infancy Gospel of Thomas was one of them.[SIZE=3][1][/SIZE] However, copies of many Gospels survived, and, although not in the Bible, are valued for their historical significance.
The Quran Frees Us

Muslims believe that Jesus did indeed receive revelation from God, but he did not write down one single word, nor did he instruct his disciples to write it down.[SIZE=3][2][/SIZE] There is no need for a Muslim to try to prove or disprove the books of the Christians. The Quran frees us from the need to know if the Bible we have today contains the word of God, or the words of Jesus. God said:
“It is He Who has sent down the Book to you with truth, confirming what came before it.” (Quran 3:3)
And also:
“And We have sent down to you the Book in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it and dominant over it. So judge among them by what God has revealed.” (Quran 5:48)
Anything beneficial for Muslims to know from the Torah or the Injeel is stated clearly in the Quran. Whatever good maybe found in the previous books is found now in the Quran.[SIZE=3][3][/SIZE] If the words of today’s New Testament agree with the words of the Quran, then these words probably form the part of Jesus’ message that did not become distorted or lost over time. The message of Jesus was the same message that all the Prophets of God taught to their people. The Lord your God is One, so worship Him alone. And God said in the Quran about the story of Jesus:
“Verily! This is the true narrative and, none has the right to be worshipped but God, the One and the Only True God, Who has neither a wife nor a son. And indeed, God is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.” (Quran 3:62).
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Old 10-04-2009, 06:40 AM
 
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the most caracter for a God , He can creat !!!!
1-Jesus did not created any thing !!! on the contrary he was created...as God created Eve from male without female and created Adam without male and female , and created us from male and female
2-God never killed by the human as sacrfice !!! Adam who did that sin, it suppose to be that Adam who gave the sacrfice to GOD !!! Not GOd sacrfice him self !!!!
4- God don't creat God (partner)...because all his messengers before Jesus (Moses,Noah,Ibrahim,Muhammad...etc)
came to inform that there is one God
and the Bible confirm that in these verses :
Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Jesus did not did the miracle without His God :
Jesus did not make anything?

John 1,1,2,3

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was (WITH GOD), and the (WORD WAS GOD). He was (WITH GOD) in the beginning. Through him (ALL THINGS WERE MADE).

Jesus made everything.
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Old 10-06-2009, 03:24 AM
 
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Jesus did not make anything?

John 1,1,2,3

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was (WITH GOD), and the (WORD WAS GOD). He was (WITH GOD) in the beginning. Through him (ALL THINGS WERE MADE).

Jesus made everything.
Who told Mary that you (Mary) will have a baby (Jesus) without man !!!? Jesus or Gibreal (Holy spirit ) ???!!!!! If he was Jesus told his mother .... of course Holy spirit

If Jesus made everything it's mean Jesus made his mother (Mary) pregrent by him self (make relation with her) .....it's impossible because it's forbiden to marry your mother in all the religions
and If we suppose that God created a new generation of Human/God version ....this is again a big lie ...because from the begining God show him self to Adam as 1 ....then he sent many Prophet to annoced that there is ONE God

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Old 10-06-2009, 04:13 AM
 
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Who told Mary that you (Mary) will have a baby (Jesus) without man !!!? Jesus or Gibreal (Holy spirit ) ???!!!!! If he was Jesus told his mother .... of course Holy spirit

If Jesus made everything it's mean Jesus made his mother (Mary) pregrent by him self (make relation with her) .....it's impossible because it's forbiden to marry your mother in all the religions
and If we suppose that God created a new generation of Human/God version ....this is again a big lie ...because from the begining God show him self to Adam as 1 ....then he sent many Prophet to annoced that there is ONE God
If God is one, why did a singular God say let (US) make man in (OUR) likeness and in (OUR) image? Could you please answer that question?
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Old 10-06-2009, 04:42 AM
 
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If God is one, why did a singular God say let (US) make man in (OUR) likeness and in (OUR) image? Could you please answer that question?
First God never creat another GOD ....
second we don't creat anything ...He created and creating .... and if he want not it's will not .... the sex relation is a cause of creat ... by God .... if he want not give you a child you will never be a father ....when he want to give you a child it's a gift from him ...not you made him or created him

Refernce from the translation of Quran :
42:48 Unto Allah belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. He createth what He will. He bestoweth female (offspring) upon whom He will, and bestoweth male (offspring) upon whom He will; (49) Or He mingleth them, males and females, and He maketh barren whom He will. Lo! He is Knower, Powerful. (50)
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