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Old 03-30-2010, 01:05 AM
 
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I'm having trouble understanding some bible passages, maybe you can help me.

Here's one, where Jesus declared:

"And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes". Luke 12:47

Yes...I can help you...I have been beaten by many demons in my time of witnessing and seeking...and some doing....KNowing is half the battle won!...Doing is the other half...I did one first...I'm now learning why as the second part///

What is it you need to know?

I am a sevant of sorts of the kingdom of God...which I believe is EDEN...for I sowed something of a seed the size of a mustard seed sinlessly in the soil as a child...which would bring about a fulfillment of sorts, Putting something (the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil) back that was taken with disobediance in mind by ADAM and EVE....and when I did this service, not knowingly, but with my heart for the greator good of the Birds God loves and feeds...as it is written the pure of heart shall see God.., and Jesus said God Loves them....and I did in some regards Fulfill, if God is the shadow man of the Garden of Eden......Satan Saw God come down to my location Acts 3:21 upon rev 17:17...and attacked me, and my family, and other families in the area...to defile , and or profane the children.
And ever since that day...I believe in God and the Christ Jesus...and I have tried to be good, and sow seeds every now and then as sinlessly as I can...to do my part as partners with God's original Plan restored...So I can live in peace.
I have even gone out to the wilderness on a pilgramage, sowing seeds, and waiting.....and who do you think came to try to get me to come back to the ideas of wealth?....one of satans minions baring a Joint, and a plan to get rich quick with using the Bible to encode and encript data on computers....I see I have done What Jesus did...and he saw Satan come to him in simular fashion offering all the riches and a kingdom.
And he said no way to satan...and I said good luck to the minion who tried to turn me back before the time of accounting .

Yes beaten with many stripes...many test, trials, and tribulations,,...and still i will confess that there is a God...and a christ Jesus as the son and true lord over the Kingdoms God made Good with all seeds in toe....and the garden where they who are good and sound and sinless should go!

Ofcourse those who are not Good should not Go...for the GOOD ONLY DESERVE.= G.O.D.
And as I am damaged by the satanic attack, not only physically, but mentally, and spiritually...I have to be baptized, and cleansed, and purged of my hatred towards that Evil that is now in the world, the churches, and the people....and in me some what...as hate is part of the Evil i speak of...and it has infected me.

I have to move on...I have only to stand out of her sins...and wait while sowing more seeds into the earth with Jonah...So maybe it becomes like EDEN again.

I hope with all those proffessing their belief in God, start to do some service soon in the garden....cause they are moving more towards the end of the Earth, than the begining of it, from where I am standing...Today.
The more who do the service the better the world will become!

Maybe Now you understand a little more?...as it is said, or written, in the Exodus, that a darkness was over the tent of meeting, and a dark entity was in the tent with Moses...Was that the same thing I saw?

Could be..?.and if it is and or was, then I understand my suffering battles with Evil is for a greator good!

Now here is a line I drawed...about the Money...the engraven thing...Jesus would not even look upon..
The other day on the news...a mans story about health care in canada was aired.
It showed that the government program of health care (insurance) was not going to pay for this mans medicines, because they were new and too expensive!
The man pleaded with the Goverment, and the hospitals, and even asked for compassion from the developers (who were funded by public taxes or funds) to be included in a free supply..which they do .
He was denied by all.
He then raised the money for the drugs himself...and was going to buy them, when the Canadian goverment step in again..with red tape, saying these are new drugs they must be tested, and passed before they can enter Canada.
ANd because they were not approved by the fda...no hospital would administer these drugs to the man....the man died.

See how powerful money has become?
And that is why God said what he said...as a commandment!

Drawing lines, making marks of acknowledgement, learning by seeing ,hearing, doing, and correction of the self...to make oneself Perfect enough for the final stages...

"Those who do the will of my Father shall enter paradise"...Jesus said// and God said he made me a helper of the garden...and although I am a lazy slave...I do sow seeds here and there that need to be sowed constantly!

And if God would give me money...I would say: what is this engraven thing you give me to trick me, and break your own commandment?...I do not want your Idol...I want your love!
And the lazy slave is the righteous one you know!

And so the story of the three slaves and the coin is solved...

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57 points and climbing of Evidences of the True Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints




http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents

The Godhead consists of three separate and distinct beings - God the Father, his Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.
Genesis 1:26-27;3:22
Matthew 3:17; 28:19
Luke 3:22
Acts 7:55
1 John 5:7

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
God the Father, as well as his Son Jesus Christ, who is a resurrected personage, both have bodies of flesh and bone and spirit.
Genesis 32:30
Exodus 33:23
Luke 24:39, 41-43
John 20:17; 21:13-14
Acts 7:55-56
1 John 3:2
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Jesus is the Christ, the literal Son of God, the Messiah, and the only perfect person upon the earth - and not simply a great teacher.
Luke 9:35
John 17:4-5
Hebrews 1:6-7
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Jesus Christ , as revealed in the New Testament, is Jehovah, God of the Old Testament.
Exodus 3:14
John 8:58
Isaiah 43:11
Hosea 13:4
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
The Holy Ghost is a distinct personage of spirit and is the third member of the Godhead.
Matthew 3:15-18
John 14:26; 16:13-14; 20:21-22
Ephesians 1:17
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
The Holy Bible is the word of the Lord insofar as it is translated correctly. It is the record of the Jews and will be joined with another record in the last days to relate God's word to his people. This second record will come from a descendant of Joseph.
Ezekiel 37:15-17
Isaiah 29:18
Revelation 20:12-14
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Jesus Christ is recognized as the head of his Church, with other officers named, beginning with a foundation of apostles and prophets, and including teachers, saints, elders, evangelists, bishops, deacons, priests and high priests.
John 15:16
Mark 3:14-15
Ephesians 2:19-20; 4:11-14
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Officers in Christ's church will be "called of God." They will receive their authority through the "laying of hands." One cannot call himself to the ministry,
a. College degree or license insufficient.
b. Royal priesthood will be known as such.
c. Bishops and leaders are to marry and to have children.
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Acts 19:25
Hebrews 5:4, 10
Timothy 3:2; 4:2-3
1 Peter 2:9
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Members of Christ's church will be "workers," and will be called "saints." In addition, women will be included in activities and leadership.
Proverbs 12:4
Romans 1:7
Ephesians 4:12
1 Corinthians 11:7
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
There will exist within the church separate entities for each of the groups of members. Adult and youth organizations will exist. This point stands to reason, if Christ is concerned with helping each individual from that person's own level of understanding.
Ephesians 4:11-14
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Christ's church will believe in the "virgin birth" of Jesus Christ but will not believe in the "immaculate conception" of Mary.
Isaiah 7:14
Matthew 1:19-20, 23
Luke 1:26-31, 42
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Christ's church will believe in immortality or eternal life, and in a heaven and hell. After the resurrection, we will be assigned to different places according to the judgement. The first resurrection will be for the righteous and will commence 1,000 years before the second resurrection.
John 3:16-17; 5:28-29; 14:2
1 Corinthians 15:20-22; 40-42
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
The Savior's church will honor Sunday as the Sabbath, with the understanding that the resurrection transpired Sunday morning, the first day of the week - and thus replaced Saturday as the Sabbath.
Hosea 2:11
Matthew 28:1
John 5:18
Acts 20:7
1 Corinthians 16:2
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Officers as well as members of Christ's church will receive continuous revelation from God.
Amos 3:7
Matthew 16:13. 16-19
Ephesians 1:17
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Members of the Lord's church will be payers of tithes and offerings.
Malachi 3:8, 11
Luke 11:42 Hebrews 7:4-5

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Members of the church will regularly partake of the Lord's supper. This sacrament represents the flesh and blood of Christ and is partaken of in remembrance of him.
Matthew 26:26-28
Acts 20:7
1 Corinthians 16:1-2
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Members of the Lord's church will experience miracles, such as visions, tongues and prophesies. In addition, the church will practice divine healing. When members of the church are sick, elders of the church will anoint them with oil and heal them.
Matthew 9:18
Mark 6: 5; 16:17-18
Acts 5:12, 16
James 5:14-15
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents

Church leaders will teach that the resurrected Jesus Christ will come again to the earth in the last days. This "second coming" will be greatly anticipated.
Job 19:25-26
Matthew 24:30
Acts 1:11; 3:19-21
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Members of the Lord's church will be persecuted for their beliefs.
Matthew 5:10-12; 24:9
Luke 6:22-23
Acts 8:1-3; 28:22
Hebrews 11:36-38
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
The church as a whole, as well as its members, will be recognized for their "fruits" - as well as the prophets who lead them. The church will esteem honesty, virtue, and wholesome activity.
Proverbs 15:4
Luke 6:43-44
2 Corinthians 9:10
Philippians 4:17
Hebrews 13:18
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
The church must provide salvation for all of God's children, not just those who receive the gospel while living on the earth. It will practice baptism for the dead.
Mark 16:16
John 3:1-8
1 Corinthians 15:29
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
The church will build temples similar to the one Solomon built, which was destroyed and built again at the time of Christ. These temples will have unique purposes, including baptism and other ordinances. Temples will also be holy places, contain the Holy of Hollies, and be used by members as places of worship.
Isaiah 2:3
Malachi 3:1; 3:7
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Christ's original church was organized by him and named after him, and his church today will also be named after him.
Acts 4:10-12
Ephesians 1:22; 4:11-14; 5:23-24
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Specific authority to function in the administration of the church is called "priesthood." It is obtained through ordination by one having the power to so ordain.
1 Samuel 13:9-14
Mark 6:7
John 7:16; 20:21
Acts 19:2-5
Hebrews 5:4-6,(6?)8-20
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
A higher priesthood authority is required to bestow the Holy Ghost than to baptize.
Matthew 16:19
Mark 1:7-8
Acts 8:15-18; 19:2-6
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
The church that Christ originally organized did not baptize infants since the prerequisite for baptism had (1) a capacity for repentance of past personal sins, and (2) a personal belief in the divinity and teachings of Christ.
Mark 10:14-15; 16:16
Acts 2:38; 8:12
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
The church is to send out missionaries (in twos), to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Mark 6:7
Luke 10:1
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
The church will have a welfare system to provide for the poor and the needy within the church. Members are to provide for themselves and their family first, and then receive help from the church
Deuteronomy 15:11
Psalm 9:18
Isaiah 14:30
Mark 10:21
Luke 18:22
Romans 15:26
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
The church will have a law of health. Alcoholic beverages will not be used by members of the church.
Ephesians 5:18
1 Corinthians 5:11; 6:9-10
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
The church will be one that is restored to the earth. Christ's original church experienced a great apostasy or falling away, but his church will be returned or restored again in the last days.
Jeremiah 31:31-34
Acts 3:19-21
2 Thessalonians 2:1-13
Revelation 14:6-7
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Christ's church will believe in being saved by the grace of Christ through exercising faith in him. In other words, it will teach that when we repent of our sins and forsake them, the atonement of Christ will cleanse us of our sins.
Matthew 7:21-29
Mark 16:15-16
Luke 6:46-49
1 Timothy 4:10
James 1:22-25; 2:14-26
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
The church will preach only the true gospel of Christ, with no variations. It will neither add to the meaning of Christ's teachings nor take away from them - even though current revelation will provide insight into them.
Matthew 5:19
Galatians 1:6-9
Ephesians 4:5
Hebrews 13:8-9
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Christ's church will espouse a pre-earth life, or a preexistence, such as that taught by the Orthodox Jews. Included in this teaching will be the doctrine of foreordination and not predestination. God the Father will be recognized as having created the individual spirits of all people.
Genesis 1:26-31
Job 38:4-7
Ecclesiastes 12:7
John 17:5
Ephesians 1:4-5
Hebrews 12:9
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
The church will believe in the "original sin" of Adam. Nevertheless, it will teach that Christ atoned for Adam's sin and that we will be punished for our own sins, as Adams sin has already been atoned for.
John 1:29
Acts 24:14-15
Romans 5:6-19
1 Corinthians 15:21-23
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Christ's church will teach that the gathering of Israel, in the last days, will be literal.
Isaiah 5:26-30; 11:12-13; 35
Jeremiah 3:14-18; 31:10
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Members of the true church will respect the beliefs of others.
Galatians 5:22-26; 6:1-2
2 Thessalonians 1:7-10
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
The church will be subject to the laws of the land, regardless of the type of government in power in that land - thus rendering unto Caesar that which is his, and to God that which is his.
Matthew 22:21
Mark 12:17
Luke 20:25
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
It should be recognized that while perfection is to be sought by each member of Christ's church, the members will have human failings and will make mistakes, and that they will thus need to grow and learn - line upon line, precept upon precept.
Isaiah 28:10
Ephesians 4:11-14; 28,32
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
After repentance, baptism by immersion is essential, as is receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. A person performing these ordinances of baptism and the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost must be duly authorized to perform such ordinances.
Matthew 3:13-15
John 3:5
Acts 2:38,41; 22:16
Romans 6:5-6
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
The Savior's church will have an unpaid ministry. This unpaid ministry will be called "by revelation," even as the apostles called new members to their quorum following the resurrection of Christ.
Amos 3:7
Micah 3:11
John 10:13
Acts 1:22-26
1 Corinthians 9:18
1 Peter 5:2
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
Satan is a real spirit being and not a fragment of people's imagination.
Job 1:6
Matthew 4:10
Mark 1:13; 8:33
Luke 13:16; 22:3, 31
John 13:27
Acts 26:18
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
The Holy Ghost will bear witness to the truthfulness of the Savior's plan, when it is presented. This is the one sure way of knowing which, if any, of the churches belongs to the Savior.
John 16:13-14
1 Corinthians 12:4-12
Galatians 5:22-26
Ephesians 1:17
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Old 03-30-2010, 08:59 AM
 
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I would aslo add this logics to the ordeal.

Acts 10:15 "Not to profane that which God has made clean" and I say Called Good.

So by drawing lines to the Genesis...we find God has in his garden many types of plants...ALL PLANTS...and he named his Garden Eden ...and made Humans to be his helpers of it, and in that I say Genesis 9:3 is highlighted more as the givens God has Given us..and it is percisely this part of the Bible I point at with my claim.
As God grows all plants for verious reasons in his Garden...ALL PLANTS in a certain way...He give us the same oppertunity to Grow all plants, with respect to his will of Us being helpers of that Garden or any Garden...keeping all the plants in toe, the right way, with the same respects for ALL LIFE that feed off those plants, and the plants main functions are manifested in the right light.

So making Plants outlawed to grow, Puts God, and his children , into prison!
For if All the plants are givens...and are judged by God as being Good...and only Good...and he says do not touch this one at the center of the garden..or you shall surely die...then we know God Grows many types of plants in his garden...and that it is not against the law to grow...but against Gods will to touch...And that is a fine line...So the plant exists in God's garden...and needs to be cared for...as do all plants.....and in that...Adam and Eve went against God's word and will, and took of the plant told not to...Which brought about death...and there bannishment from the garden tame, to the opposite estate...

Now how does one undo what was done?
Here we have two entites disobaying God directly...and knowing God directly...they went against his warnings...and chose death..so they could be like God, knowing both good and Evil.
And because they do not listen to God...they remain in that estate.
But if someone want to come out of it....Then they have to find a way to undo what was done, and say sorry...

This is my logics....Because they did eat and touch and take without God's aproval...their sin (disobediance) brought about death.

So a sinless soul restoring the plants should gain forgiveness, by not only faith, and by not only works...but by both.
And Jesus sais it like this "those who do the will of my Father, shall enter paradise"
And what was God's will?...The Garden...us as helpers of it, sharing, caring, honouring, and praising...tending and keeping all Life...in toe...Is that not part of Noah's story?
Acts 3:21 Universal restoration of many EDENS..as the multiple or Product of a productive mindset.

As the story of the three slaves is written in the Bible...I have to say..What is it God has Given?
And if we remove on or more of these givens which God says are good...and they are made bad by human law and prohibited...how are we to fulfill God's kingdom?...or make holy ground So God can come down, or Christ can come up?
Again by making certain plants outlawed to grow...they do themselves a disservice...and stop those who want to make God's kingdom come.

So..I stand in a very odd place...and I want peace , health, and happiness in my life...But all there seems to be is sickenss and suffering under the Idolic charms of the engraven imaged money, of Civilization.
Yes more sickness, and more suffering...makes more hospitals and drugs for the sinners...at a high price.

Are we getting the message?

If we are to live on this world...why are we polluting it with bent industrial practices?
If the system humankind is making is of any merit, why so many sick in it?

So you see God says if we do his will, and follow his words, commandments, precepts, and covenants...all would be well, and the lands would be abundantly Giving.

So we know it has to do with sins...because things are not the way God wants them to be.

If God shares..."I give you everything"...then should we not also Give everything?

And if we remove plants from their natural enviroments, because of our abuse with them...what suffers in the chain of life, by our hand, and our blindness towards the neighbours who need certain plants in that natural enviroment to be what they are....?
By removing one plant that is vital to the well being of the planet...a very special plant...a sun plant.
And it feeds the birds...and God needs to have these seeds.

So my logics are sound...the plant I speak of is very industious, it is also a filter, and a maker of soil...and can be used to make fuel...and it can be eaten, smoked as insense, and used to purify...the holy anointing oil contained it..once upon a time!

So I make no outlandish statements when I say...I as a sinless child, put it back where it belongs..
And in doing that, I was exposed to something about God, and Satan...

So there is some truth to this God...and I can see the other end of it in my reality only because humans are breaking the commandments...because they are week, and they do not read into the Bible and do what God has asked completely, and sinlessly.

That is why someone has to be sent...to keep things Going until the end, or until they finally get it right and start making what God intended...EDENS> and it can only be made with sinless hands...
For intent is part of the heart, and God knows how to read it....

So in that light...God came down, because I fulfilled that simple task...and he came like a thief in the night....Yep!
And after that the demonica came...and there is where my Life went downwards...But I was optimistic about God, and Jesus winning in the end, and being there in the new beginings...

Now as I have said...I first did what God asked...and know I am learning why...and what is going on in the world, so I could be witness.
Drawing lines, and making my observations...doesn't look too good for us humans right about now.

Way too much sin going on...and what Does God hold in store for that?
More woe, more Wrath, more pain sickness, and sorrows...
All because they did not listen to reason.

You cannot put God into prison for making, and growing Plants!...SO the real church of God is EDEN..and EDENS are his kingdom...as Jesus proclaims on the mound, and on the mount of Olives.
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Old 03-30-2010, 09:21 AM
 
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Dear Mullenite,
I also do not believe you have any Bible understandiong of what water baptism is, as ordained by Jesus, and what "baptism for the dead...' is, in context.

The dead who submit to water baptism as Jesus commanded are those bodies of the redeemed, whose bodies are dead because of sin, in Adam flesh.
It is the Adam flesh which is dead and which is submitted to water baptism by the soul wearing it who has been cleansed of sin by the blood atonement of Jesus Christ; and they submit the body to water baptism, by faith, in the sign of its sin nature dying in Jesus' death and then the testimony of its hope of the resurrection in His resurrection.

The entire context of 1 Cor 15 is about the born again in Christ believers dead Adam flesh body rising from the dead; and water baptism is the individual acts of living souls, done in faith, in obedience to Christ, submitting the dead body of Adam flesh they wear into "the baptism of righteousness", done in by their faith in "the hope of the Church", which is that the dead Adam flesh each born again in Christ soul continues to wear until the death of it and will receive changed, at the resurrection of it -or translation of it when Christ Jesus comes in the air to meet them- will be transformed and rise from the dead, alive in Christ.

That is also called the adoption of the body, when it is transformed to the image of the New Man, and which is the time it is made alive. "The body is dead because of sin", and it is the dead Adam flesh body which is submitted to water baptism, by the soul wearing it, by their freewill, only, as a sign of the resurrection hope of its rising in Christ's image!


The [Adam flesh] body is dead because of sin and must needs be made alive/resurrected and or translated at the rapture, for the completion of the salvation of the "whole body, soul, and spirit's perfection". of each human being, born again in Christ.

In Adam all die, and in Christ [those who are born again in Spirit are in Christ] all are made alive -"whosoever will", can be made alive in Christ and their body will be changed to the glorious new man body and will rise from the dead in that image of the Living Son of God.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.



Mat 8: But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

The born again in Christ are alive in spirit, and the Adam flesh is dead in spirit, and we must wear the nature of the Adam flesh until the resurrection and/or rapture/transformation of it.

Water Baptism is for our own dead Adam flesh, which we, alone, can submit to obedience of Christ in water baptism for the hope of the resurrection in transformation of it to the living body of flesh made in the image of Christ's New Man body of flesh of new, human being, creation.

Rom 7:24,25 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? -I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
16. The true church must practice baptism for the dead (1 Corinthians 15:16&29)


16. The true church must practice baptism for the dead (1 Corinthians 15:16&29)



http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
"If we can, by the authority of the Priesthood of the Son of God, baptize a man in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, for the remission of sins, it is just as much our privilege to act as an agent, and be baptized for the remission of sins for and in behalf of our dead kindred, who have not heard the Gospel, or the fullness of it."
"The Bible says, 'I will send you Elijah the Prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord; and he shall turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to the fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.' Malachi 4:5-6.
"Now, the word turn here should be translated bind, or seal. But what is the object of this important mission? or how is it to be fulfilled? The keys are to be delivered, the spirit of Elijah is to come, the Gospel to be established, the Saints of God gathered, Zion built up, and the Saints to come up as saviors on Mount Zion, see Obadiah 1:21. And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the Lord’s.

While yet in life, Jesus prophesied that He would also preach to the dead. John 5:25. Peter tells us this happened in the interval between the Savior’s Crucifixion and Resurrection. 1 Pet. 3:18–19 President Joseph F. Smith witnessed in vision that the Savior visited the spirit world and “from among the righteous [spirits] … organized his forces and appointed messengers, clothed with power and authority, and commissioned them to go forth and carry the light of the gospel to them that were in darkness. … http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/138
“These were taught faith in God, repentance from sin, vicarious baptism for the remission of sins, [and] the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands.” D&C 138:30, 33.http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/138
The doctrine that the living can provide baptism and other essential ordinances to the dead, vicariously, was revealed anew to the Prophet Joseph Smith. D&C 124, 128, 132; He learned that the spirits awaiting resurrection are not only offered individual salvation but that they can be bound in heaven as husband and wife and be sealed to their fathers and mothers of all generations past and have sealed to them their children of all generations future. The Lord instructed the Prophet that these sacred rites are appropriately performed only in a house built to His name, a temple. D&C 124:29–36 http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/124
The principle of vicarious service should not seem strange to any Christian. In the baptism of a living person, the officiator acts, by proxy, in place of the Savior. And is it not the central tenet of our faith that Christ’s sacrifice atones for our sins by vicariously satisfying the demands of justice for us? As President Gordon B. Hinckley has expressed: “I think that vicarious work for the dead more nearly approaches the vicarious sacrifice of the Savior Himself than any other work of which I know. It is given with love, without hope of compensation, or repayment or anything of the kind. What a glorious principle.”
Some have misunderstood and suppose that deceased souls “are being baptised into the Mormon faith without their knowledge” or that “people who once belonged to other faiths can have the Mormon faith retroactively imposed on them.” They assume that we somehow have power to force a soul in matters of faith. Of course, we do not. God gave man his agency from the beginning. Moses 7:32; see also Alma 5:33–36; Alma 42:27. “The dead who repent will be redeemed, through obedience to the ordinances of the house of God,” D&C 138:58 http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/138but only if they accept those ordinances. The Church does not list them on its rolls or count them in its membership.
Our anxiety to redeem the dead, and the time and resources we put behind that commitment, are, above all, an expression of our witness concerning Jesus Christ. It constitutes as powerful a statement as we can make concerning His divine character and mission. It testifies, first, of Christ’s Resurrection; second, of the infinite reach of His Atonement; third, that He is the sole source of salvation; fourth, that He has established the conditions for salvation; and, fifth, that He will come again.







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Old 03-30-2010, 09:36 AM
 
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I would aslo add this logics to the ordeal.

Acts 10:15 "Not to profane that which God has made clean" and I say Called Good.

So by drawing lines to the Genesis...we find God has in his garden many types of plants...ALL PLANTS...and he named his Garden Eden ...and made Humans to be his helpers of it, and in that I say Genesis 9:3 is highlighted more as the givens God has Given us..and it is percisely this part of the Bible I point at with my claim.
As God grows all plants for verious reasons in his Garden...ALL PLANTS in a certain way...He give us the same oppertunity to Grow all plants, with respect to his will of Us being helpers of that Garden or any Garden...keeping all the plants in toe, the right way, with the same respects for ALL LIFE that feed off those plants, and the plants main functions are manifested in the right light.

So making Plants outlawed to grow, Puts God, and his children , into prison!
For if All the plants are givens...and are judged by God as being Good...and only Good...and he says do not touch this one at the center of the garden..or you shall surely die...then we know God Grows many types of plants in his garden...and that it is not against the law to grow...but against Gods will to touch...And that is a fine line...So the plant exists in God's garden...and needs to be cared for...as do all plants.....and in that...Adam and Eve went against God's word and will, and took of the plant told not to...Which brought about death...and there bannishment from the garden tame, to the opposite estate...

Now how does one undo what was done?
Here we have two entites disobaying God directly...and knowing God directly...they went against his warnings...and chose death..so they could be like God, knowing both good and Evil.
And because they do not listen to God...they remain in that estate.
But if someone want to come out of it....Then they have to find a way to undo what was done, and say sorry...

This is my logics....Because they did eat and touch and take without God's aproval...their sin (disobediance) brought about death.

So a sinless soul restoring the plants should gain forgiveness, by not only faith, and by not only works...but by both.
And Jesus sais it like this "those who do the will of my Father, shall enter paradise"
And what was God's will?...The Garden...us as helpers of it, sharing, caring, honouring, and praising...tending and keeping all Life...in toe...Is that not part of Noah's story?
Acts 3:21 Universal restoration of many EDENS..as the multiple or Product of a productive mindset.

As the story of the three slaves is written in the Bible...I have to say..What is it God has Given?
And if we remove on or more of these givens which God says are good...and they are made bad by human law and prohibited...how are we to fulfill God's kingdom?...or make holy ground So God can come down, or Christ can come up?
Again by making certain plants outlawed to grow...they do themselves a disservice...and stop those who want to make God's kingdom come.

So..I stand in a very odd place...and I want peace , health, and happiness in my life...But all there seems to be is sickenss and suffering under the Idolic charms of the engraven imaged money, of Civilization.
Yes more sickness, and more suffering...makes more hospitals and drugs for the sinners...at a high price.

Are we getting the message?

If we are to live on this world...why are we polluting it with bent industrial practices?
If the system humankind is making is of any merit, why so many sick in it?

So you see God says if we do his will, and follow his words, commandments, precepts, and covenants...all would be well, and the lands would be abundantly Giving.

So we know it has to do with sins...because things are not the way God wants them to be.

If God shares..."I give you everything"...then should we not also Give everything?

And if we remove plants from their natural enviroments, because of our abuse with them...what suffers in the chain of life, by our hand, and our blindness towards the neighbours who need certain plants in that natural enviroment to be what they are....?
By removing one plant that is vital to the well being of the planet...a very special plant...a sun plant.
And it feeds the birds...and God needs to have these seeds.

So my logics are sound...the plant I speak of is very industious, it is also a filter, and a maker of soil...and can be used to make fuel...and it can be eaten, smoked as insense, and used to purify...the holy anointing oil contained it..once upon a time!

So I make no outlandish statements when I say...I as a sinless child, put it back where it belongs..
And in doing that, I was exposed to something about God, and Satan...

So there is some truth to this God...and I can see the other end of it in my reality only because humans are breaking the commandments...because they are week, and they do not read into the Bible and do what God has asked completely, and sinlessly.

That is why someone has to be sent...to keep things Going until the end, or until they finally get it right and start making what God intended...EDENS> and it can only be made with sinless hands...
For intent is part of the heart, and God knows how to read it....

So in that light...God came down, because I fulfilled that simple task...and he came like a thief in the night....Yep!
And after that the demonica came...and there is where my Life went downwards...But I was optimistic about God, and Jesus winning in the end, and being there in the new beginings...

Now as I have said...I first did what God asked...and know I am learning why...and what is going on in the world, so I could be witness.
Drawing lines, and making my observations...doesn't look too good for us humans right about now.

Way too much sin going on...and what Does God hold in store for that?
More woe, more Wrath, more pain sickness, and sorrows...
All because they did not listen to reason.

You cannot put God into prison for making, and growing Plants!...SO the real church of God is EDEN..and EDENS are his kingdom...as Jesus proclaims on the mound, and on the mount of Olives.
Show me those statement's in Scriptures.
Here is the New Testament http://scriptures.lds.org/en/nt/contents
and the Old Testament, BIBLE http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ot/contents

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Old 03-30-2010, 10:10 AM
 
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Yes...I can help you...I have been beaten by many demons in my time of witnessing and seeking...and some doing....KNowing is half the battle won!...Doing is the other half...I did one first...I'm now learning why as the second part///

What is it you need to know?

I am a sevant of sorts of the kingdom of God...which I believe is EDEN...for I sowed something of a seed the size of a mustard seed sinlessly in the soil as a child...which would bring about a fulfillment of sorts, Putting something (the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil) back that was taken with disobediance in mind by ADAM and EVE....and when I did this service, not knowingly, but with my heart for the greator good of the Birds God loves and feeds...as it is written the pure of heart shall see God.., and Jesus said God Loves them....and I did in some regards Fulfill, if God is the shadow man of the Garden of Eden......Satan Saw God come down to my location Acts 3:21 upon rev 17:17...and attacked me, and my family, and other families in the area...to defile , and or profane the children.
And ever since that day...I believe in God and the Christ Jesus...and I have tried to be good, and sow seeds every now and then as sinlessly as I can...to do my part as partners with God's original Plan restored...So I can live in peace.
I have even gone out to the wilderness on a pilgramage, sowing seeds, and waiting.....and who do you think came to try to get me to come back to the ideas of wealth?....one of satans minions baring a Joint, and a plan to get rich quick with using the Bible to encode and encript data on computers....I see I have done What Jesus did...and he saw Satan come to him in simular fashion offering all the riches and a kingdom.
And he said no way to satan...and I said good luck to the minion who tried to turn me back before the time of accounting .

Yes beaten with many stripes...many test, trials, and tribulations,,...and still i will confess that there is a God...and a christ Jesus as the son and true lord over the Kingdoms God made Good with all seeds in toe....and the garden where they who are good and sound and sinless should go!

Ofcourse those who are not Good should not Go...for the GOOD ONLY DESERVE.= G.O.D.
And as I am damaged by the satanic attack, not only physically, but mentally, and spiritually...I have to be baptized, and cleansed, and purged of my hatred towards that Evil that is now in the world, the churches, and the people....and in me some what...as hate is part of the Evil i speak of...and it has infected me.

I have to move on...I have only to stand out of her sins...and wait while sowing more seeds into the earth with Jonah...So maybe it becomes like EDEN again.

I hope with all those proffessing their belief in God, start to do some service soon in the garden....cause they are moving more towards the end of the Earth, than the begining of it, from where I am standing...Today.
The more who do the service the better the world will become!

Maybe Now you understand a little more?...as it is said, or written, in the Exodus, that a darkness was over the tent of meeting, and a dark entity was in the tent with Moses...Was that the same thing I saw?

Could be..?.and if it is and or was, then I understand my suffering battles with Evil is for a greator good!

Now here is a line I drawed...about the Money...the engraven thing...Jesus would not even look upon..
The other day on the news...a mans story about health care in canada was aired.
It showed that the government program of health care (insurance) was not going to pay for this mans medicines, because they were new and too expensive!
The man pleaded with the Goverment, and the hospitals, and even asked for compassion from the developers (who were funded by public taxes or funds) to be included in a free supply..which they do .
He was denied by all.
He then raised the money for the drugs himself...and was going to buy them, when the Canadian goverment step in again..with red tape, saying these are new drugs they must be tested, and passed before they can enter Canada.
ANd because they were not approved by the fda...no hospital would administer these drugs to the man....the man died.

See how powerful money has become?
And that is why God said what he said...as a commandment!

Drawing lines, making marks of acknowledgement, learning by seeing ,hearing, doing, and correction of the self...to make oneself Perfect enough for the final stages...

"Those who do the will of my Father shall enter paradise"...Jesus said// and God said he made me a helper of the garden...and although I am a lazy slave...I do sow seeds here and there that need to be sowed constantly!

And if God would give me money...I would say: what is this engraven thing you give me to trick me, and break your own commandment?...I do not want your Idol...I want your love!
And the lazy slave is the righteous one you know!

And so the story of the three slaves and the coin is solved...

Trial and error, Here is the New Testament http://scriptures.lds.org/en/nt/contents
and the Old Testament, BIBLE http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ot/contents
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Old 03-30-2010, 10:13 AM
 
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Did Jesus not preach his Gospel /sermen from a Mound?
Did Jesus ever ask anyone to come to the church of man made stone?

So we know Jesus spoke from God's kingdom...on the mound...in the open...so all Life could hear!

And it is in the Bible that the word of God is to be spoken onto all Life!!!!!!!!!!

And that rules out the Human made Churches of engraven Stone and wood , and makes it more powerful and more complete...for it addresses all life!!!.

Something the Mormans have forgotten?...it would seem many have diverted from the Path Jesus walked....
Here is the New Testament http://scriptures.lds.org/en/nt/contents find IT!

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/contents
The Holy Bible is the word of the Lord insofar as it is translated correctly. It is the record of the Jews and will be joined with another record in the last days to relate God's word to his people. This second record will come from a descendant of Joseph.
Ezekiel 37:15-17
Isaiah 29:18
Revelation 20:12-14
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Old 03-30-2010, 03:23 PM
 
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Mullenite,
I'm LDS and I must say the 17 points are very weak.

Also, copying/pasting a wall of text is never helpful.
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Old 03-30-2010, 05:04 PM
 
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Must...resist... negativity...

Hello my friendly LDS neighbors. I love you all but please stop preaching to me and trying to prove to me that your church is true when I don't really need to know.

- Sincerely, Chango
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