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Old 03-31-2010, 07:11 PM
 
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Religion is said to be the source of "moral values and worldview". Then, how exactly did religion obtain such "moral values and worldview"?

The only things religion really has are scriptures and "teachings". Scriptures are fictional books full of stories such as "making a women out of a man's rib"... And there are "teachings" -- "teachings" are nothing more than one human being's "worldview". And this made "teachings" a lot questionable in many cases: some of those "teachers" teach anti-government violence, some those "teachers" teach terrorism ... worse, the followers being "taught" are all brainwashed and incapable of using their heads ...
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Old 03-31-2010, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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Religion doesn't really give give the moral guidance that many believers say it does. It gives the morals of the time x religion was formed. For example, christianity says slavery is moral. If religion were the source of morality, then it follows that America(where the majority of people are christian) would legalize and advocate the practice of the slavery.
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Old 04-01-2010, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Religion doesn't really give give the moral guidance that many believers say it does. It gives the morals of the time x religion was formed. For example, christianity says slavery is moral. If religion were the source of morality, then it follows that America(where the majority of people are christian) would legalize and advocate the practice of the slavery.
Really? Where?
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Old 04-01-2010, 07:34 AM
 
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Read your bible jimmiej; it even tells you what a slave is worth...A male slave is worth twice that of a female, etc.
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Old 04-01-2010, 07:47 AM
 
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Read your bible jimmiej; it even tells you what a slave is worth...A male slave is worth twice that of a female, etc.
But where does it say slavery is moral?
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Old 04-01-2010, 07:55 AM
 
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"Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids." (Leviticus 25:44 , KJV)

"As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may aquire male and female slaves." (Leviticus 25:44, NRSV)
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Old 04-01-2010, 08:00 AM
 
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"Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids." (Leviticus 25:44 , KJV)

"As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may aquire male and female slaves." (Leviticus 25:44, NRSV)
You do realize of course, these passages you're quoting are from Judiaism, not Christianity.
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Old 04-01-2010, 08:09 AM
 
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You do realize of course, these passages you're quoting are from Judiaism, not Christianity.
I guess you do not know your bible very well at all....They are both from the old testament of the bible......
Perhaps you would prefer something from the new testament.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
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Old 04-01-2010, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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I guess you do not know your bible very well at all....They are both from the old testament of the bible......
Perhaps you would prefer something from the new testament.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
That passage merely indicates that slavery existed at the time. It in no way says slavery is encouraged.
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Old 04-01-2010, 09:18 AM
 
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Really? Where?
Mark 14:66
Luke 12:45-48
Ephesians 6:5-9
1 Timothy 6:1-3
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