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You don't think it's ignorant to claim that the chained CPI has already reduced our Social Security benefits when in fact the chained CPI has never yet been passed into law? Such a claim is not an "opinion"; it's just plain wrong, factually wrong.
Oh I see what you're talking about.
I'd use the word misinformed, not necessarily ravingly ignorant. And thankfully, enough posters here are on their toes to catch such mistakes.
2. You don't think it's ignorant to claim that the chained CPI has already reduced our Social Security benefits when in fact the chained CPI has never yet been passed into law? Such a claim is not an "opinion"; it's just plain wrong, factually wrong.
I already said I was wrong. Whaddya want? But you don't think it will ever go into effect? I think you're smarter than that.
What I'm not wrong about is an incorrect rate of inflation. I don't personally know anyone (personally) who doesn't know that it's much higher than the official one.
You really think we're going to sail through our retirements with our SS and pensions untouched? If so, I hope you're right. I just don't think so. Retirees don't live on some special island from other citizens.
I'm in this too, you know. I have a SS and a pension. Why would I just HOPE that something goes wrong?? You think I don't read and can't reason? I've read so much that I actually understand why The Republicans did what they did in re the negotiations. I agree with their basic premise -- we can't keep living above our means -- I just don't agree with the way they are going about trying to make things better. I also think they have ulterior motives. But their basic premise is very sound.
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Ah, as much as I hate to say I told you so, I did predict the onslaught of ignorant ravings way back in my post #3 in this thread.
I missed this. And of course you're right, ER. And when it hits the fan, I promise I won't come back and say that I told you so.
In fact, this is just useless. Well, maybe not. Perhaps some people have started thinking. We can simply pretend it will never happen, or we can start thinking about what we would do if (more like 'when') it does happen.
In any case, I'm done. I did what I set out to do -- to make people realize that no matter what the 2014 SS COLA is -- it's pretty insignificant. And perhaps we'd better look at the overall picture and also 'down the road'.
(It seems some of us, ER, are just so easy to get upset when someone doesn't agree with them. )
I missed this. And of course you're right, ER. And when it hits the fan, I promise I won't come back and say that I told you so.
In fact, this is just useless. Well, maybe not. Perhaps some people have started thinking. We can simply pretend it will never happen, or we can start thinking about what we would do if (more like 'when') it does happen.
In any case, I'm done. I did what I set out to do -- to make people realize that no matter what the 2014 SS COLA is -- it's pretty insignificant. And perhaps we'd better look at the overall picture and also 'down the road'.
(It seems some of us, ER, are just so easy to get upset when someone doesn't agree with them. )
I am fine with disagreement - always have been, always will be. It is the ranting that doesn't go down so well with me - overly emotional, hyperbolic ranting. Try re-reading some of your own posts.
Aw -- somebody likes me. [That's pretty rare around here. ]
Seriously -- thank you. But I have no doubts that those of us here who are well off donate to their favorite charities and/or volunteer.
LOL, I'm just a passerby so have no opinions except from what I've read on this thread.
I've only just turned 60 but have been on SSDI for 9 years because of my MS and now get a little more monies from my late husband's SSDI and our Union pensions. I don't have money to burn but I can pay all my bills and I own my own home. That is all I ask the Good Lord for. Keep me from being homeless. Sure wish I had been smarter when I was young and planned for this time of age but I lived life to my fullest BUT I am blessed nonetheless. I am surviving. That's all that counts in my book.
Well, trying to be cute and/or to make fun of this isn't at all intelligent or classy.
And why would I want to move and leave these people? I'm learning a lot and doing what I can do to help, right where I am. I may do nothing more than take out their trash or help with laundry or the occasional chance to take a ride out of town -- I make sure everyone has food (not necessarily out of my own pocket because there are food banks, which are very good here, and also Meals on Wheels -- but I'm doing something.
You know -- I have this feeling that you don't know at all what it's like to be old and poor or old and middle class. Are you, by any chance, one of the 1%?
Let's put it this way. First of all, I'm way closer to 70 than I am to 60. I am not a 1%er by any means and I decidedly know what it is to be middle class. I even had my rather poor phase when younger.
It's a true comfort knowing that you're the arbiter of what's intelligent and what's classy. Now I know who to check with when in doubt.
And I fear you're right. You don't "fun" anything but Boomers do fund (pardon the earlier typo even though it appears top be yours, not mine) campaigns to a significant degree either directly, through union dues, through company and corporate donations, etc.
As for the rest, I was responding to this and only this:
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Originally Posted by Fran66
You know the answer. No one -- no one -- wants the old and elderly around. Not even their kids want them around. (They MAY take care of Mommy and Daddy because that's makes them look good and especially if Mommy and Daddy have money to leave them.)
By the way, we're surrounded by seniors including those in their 70s, 80s and even 90s. Amazingly enough we all get along and what's more, we all watch out for one another whether "young" seniors or old - whether it's meals, yard work or transportation. We do so out of friendship, compassion and to help people stay in their homes as long as they want and are able to. But perhaps it's just where we're fortunate enough to live. While I applaud your efforts on behalf of others, I have to wonder what gave you the perception expressed in the above quote.
Once again, back on track, while a little less COLA won't hurt us appreciably, and we're by no means wealthy, I know it could and would have a larger, negative impact on others and am sensitive to that. There's nothing "cute" about it.
You're right -- it's not yet. I don't know why I wrote that. But the government has cut food and energy out of the equation -- which is totally ridiculous.
Oh, God, not this canard yet again.
You're right, it is totally ridiculous. No, not the CPI; I'm referring to your statement that the CPI doesn't include food and energy in its calculation of the CPI. This comes up frequently on this forum and each time I provide a link to the official information that debunks this preposterous claim. But does it do any good? Noooooo. This idiotic contention will simply not die. Nevertheless, here it is again:
Well, trying to be cute and/or to make fun of this isn't at all intelligent or classy.
And why would I want to move and leave these people? I'm learning a lot and doing what I can do to help, right where I am. I may do nothing more than take out their trash or help with laundry or the occasional chance to take a ride out of town -- I make sure everyone has food (not necessarily out of my own pocket because there are food banks, which are very good here, and also Meals on Wheels -- but I'm doing something.
You know -- I have this feeling that you don't know at all what it's like to be old and poor or old and middle class. Are you, by any chance, one of the 1%?
I think we can all learn from our elders. And what you are doing is enriching their lives; making
them less lonely.
Believe it or not our seniors just appreciate someone talking to them.
The Cola will help, too.
It is my strong belief that the Chained CPI will replace the CPI-W. Hopefully it will include the supplements found in the Simpson-Bowles plan(s) or the supplements included in the President's proposed budget.
As long as supplements are included to help the oldest and most vulnerable seniors, I am not opposed to the Chained CPI.
Chained CPI is the least of potential evils. It's the equivalent of loosing a slice of bread, when there are entities that want to take away your entire dinner.
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