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Originally Posted by RandomRetirementAdviceGuy
No that sounds exactly how an annuity should be working in terms of fees like I said. You are just sadly misinformed on current annuities. Look more into companies like Prudential, Voya, or Transamerica.
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well post us an example , lets see what you got. i bet it is 2-3 % total expenses for the fund fees ,expenses ,death benefits , guaranted min returns.etc.
cheapest plan going is a vanguard variable annuity and that comes in at about 2% with death benefits and glwb depending on fund selection, that is about 2k on 100k investment first year only , the industry average is about 2.50% .
but those do not include guaranteed minimum returns like the popular ones pitched today like we had thrown at us. throw on another 3/4 to 1% for that ,plus the expenses on that guaranteed return as part of your average daily balance ,which can only be annuitized to get , you can't take it out and you got quite an expense bill.
the one we saw hit 4% for those guarantees.
but having said that ,with those guarantees that policy may actually be priced to low and the risk is you may not get what you expect.
the problem with annuities is you CANNOT just compare them to investing on your own. all your fees get you on your own is admission to the fund . there are no guarantees at all as to what you will get as far as returns or income.
moshe milevsky called it right about many plans when he said he didn't understand how they could offer the guarantees they did at those price.
well a few months later he was rght.
prudential locked the doors an annuity holders of certain annuities and they could no longer add any new money.
hartford sent out letters offering contract buyouts .
a host of others just changed the offered deals.
actuaries got a lot smarter about pricing these things so it is harder to find a great deal as in the past.
if you are going to buy one it is best annuitized when you reach the bottom of an age band since your income will be dependant on age .
59-64 single , with vanguard gets you 4.5 % guaranteed but wait until 65 and it is 5% as an example. age 70 gets you 5.5%