Sacramento City Council Boycotts Arizona

[bradlywhite]

Bottom line is that what is being said is Police should not even try to assertain whether someone is in this Country legally or not, but we are ok with HR directors performing that task.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by bradlywhite

Bottom line is that what is being said is Police should not even try to assertain whether someone is in this Country legally or not, but we are ok with HR directors performing that task.

"Welcome to the Hotel California!"

[Casportsfan]

Originally Posted by nmnita

I don't think there is a person out there that doesn't think hiring these people isn't part of the problem, but get real, it goes much deeper. And I happen to know of some companies that do check their hirees. They ask for green cards or SS cards. This isn't always foolproof by anymeans. Yes, I guess the govenment could crack down with federal ID cards. I suppose you want to see that happen? Do you think illegals can not figure out a way to get a SS card (in some cases) they figure out how to get faux green cards.

There is more than one reason these people are coming across the border. Many, not all are involved in drugs or crime. Would you not agree? Again, I didn't say all...many have family members here who will house them and feed them, on welfare in some cases.

The problems go so deep, it will take years to put a stop to this nonsense, but AZ is on the right track. Someone has to take action.

Nita

I understand what you are saying, but again, in my opinion, it relates back to economics, as most issues with respect to government assistance (or some would say entitlements) do.

Social Security and Medicare were both scrutinized heavily in their time. Some viewed it as a step towards expanding government, while others held the view that the government had an obligation to ensure the security of its middle class, who by and large keep the economy afloat, fight in wars to protect the rights of corporations to do business here, and build the infrastructure that allows commerce. The basic premise is that if you work, you are entitled to some form of security or remuneration, and it is governments' job to step in and provide that if a corporation will not.

Most corporations provide measly/zero benefits for those who do not hold at least a bachelors degree, and a very small fractional percentage do provide pensions for anyone of any level of experience or education.

How does this all relate back to illegal immigrants? Because the social services that everyone is complaining they are soaking up are granted to them through the same theories were applied to other working folks. To me it sounds more like you have a problem with social services in general rather than illegal immigrants.

I do agree with you on some of the other problems and causes that you referenced, but I think the answer to those problems is better solved by addressing individual issues with respect to various government programs. For example, if Welfare is not working, reforms should be made.

[Casportsfan]

I know a couple formerly well paid salesmen that are living decently off of unemployment with zero plans to find another job . . . . . Neither of them are Mexican, so what should we do? Can we at least check their ID's? Lol.

[KC6ZLV]

Living decently?

I'm receiving the max amount for unemployment, and I would refer to the situation as getting by. If I didn't foresee this economic situation ahead of time, and not planned for it like I did, I wouldn't be in the "ok" situation I'm in now. I literally saved half of what I made the year prior to being laid off.


I really get tired of this nonsense that the unemployed are sitting at home, "making bank" off of unemployment not taking jobs because they are making more off of unemployment. Especially when it comes from people who would never work for less that $20.00 an hr based on principle, and nothing else.

The max for weekly unemployment is $450.00. Multiply that by 52 weeks, that is $23,400 a year. Based on 2,080 hours a year, that comes to $11.25 an hour. This is for people making about $46,700 a year. $35,000 a year qualifies you for what you would make if you were working full-time for minimum wage in California.

I suppose there are a few people who think they are getting one or two extras from "the Man" while sitting on unemployment, but for those of us who are stuck with $450 a week when we were making two or three times that amount, this situation is nothing but frustrating.

[Casportsfan]

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

Living decently?

I'm receiving the max amount for unemployment, and I would refer to the situation as getting by. If I didn't foresee this economic situation ahead of time, and not planned for it like I did, I wouldn't be in the "ok" situation I'm in now. I literally saved half of what I made the year prior to being laid off.


I really get tired of this nonsense that the unemployed are sitting at home, "making bank" off of unemployment not taking jobs because they are making more off of unemployment. Especially when it comes from people who would never work for less that $20.00 an hr based on principle, and nothing else.

The max for weekly unemployment is $450.00. Multiply that by 52 weeks, that is $23,400 a year. Based on 2,080 hours a year, that comes to $11.25 an hour. This is for people making about $46,700 a year. $35,000 a year qualifies you for what you would make if you were working full-time for minimum wage in California.

I suppose there are a few people who think they are getting one or two extras from "the Man" while sitting on unemployment, but for those of us who are stuck with $450 a week when we were making two or three times that amount, this situation is nothing but frustrating.

I hear what you are saying. I'm not trying to make light of your situation, but there are always some people that try to "work" any government program, and I don't think it's specific to any one race. That's the only point I was trying to make. I believe it's a generalization that all illegal aliens are just here soaking up our resources. The majority of those that I have known work harder than most legal citizens.

I brought up my friends as an example because the two that I referenced are both college educated, but are literally not even attempting to look for another job. Both make a little money on the side that they don't report and are content with unemployment for the next year or so. I have a third friend who is also a salesmen who is ready to do the same. None of the three are illegal aliens.

It's a big issue with a lot of sides to it. I am not at all happy with the illegal immigration problem. Illegal aliens broke the union at the hospital my mother worked on by crossing picket lines to work, and destroyed the measly benefits the union had bargained for. They also drove wages down by $3 or $4 per hour in the roofing industry where a good friend of mine worked for years, causing a lot of legal citizens to lose a lot of money. That' rediculous.

But at the same time this law just seems flat out stupid to me and you can't open the door for racial profiling to be an acceptable form of investigating. That's my opinion on the issue.