Can someone tell me what happened to Elk Grove?

[Stay West]

Elk Grove has many characteristics of long-term decline despite it being a relatively new area. The shifting demographics are reminiscent of Midwest cities like St Louis and Detroit in the mid 20th century. A turnaround is possible but unlikely in my opinion.

[hd4me]

Originally Posted by EastBayGirlie

EG is for people who cannot afford Roseville. As a result, you've got a huge Indian presence. Sadly though, this area is too close and convenient to the gang neighborhoods, so it's the last place I would buy in.

By "Indian presence" I assume you mean those from India. They actually have a higher income level than other ethnic groups including White, Non Hispanics...Forbes Magazine...Indian Americans: The New Model Minority - Forbes

"East Asians continue to excel in the U.S, but among minority groups, Indians are clearly the latest and greatest “model.” In 2007, the median income of households headed by an Indian American was approximately $83,000, compared with $61,000 for East Asians and $55,000 for whites."

Apparently as a group they are overrepresented in certain professions... "It’s tempting to dismiss Indian-American dominance of the spelling bee as just a cultural idiosyncrasy. But Indian success in more important fields is just as eye-catching. Despite constituting less than 1% of the U.S. population, Indian-Americans are 3% of the nation’s engineers, 7% of its IT workers and 8% of its physicians and surgeons. The overrepresentation of Indians in these fields is striking–in practical terms, your doctor is nine times more likely to be an Indian-American than is a random passerby on the street."

I am not Indian but we have a significant presence in our neighborhood and I like to think of myself as a person who attempts to obtain facts before coming to a conclusion (I may not always succeed but I do try).

[NickB1967]

Originally Posted by hd4me

By "Indian presence" I assume you mean those from India. They actually have a higher income level than other ethnic groups including White, Non Hispanics...Forbes Magazine...Indian Americans: The New Model Minority - Forbes

"East Asians continue to excel in the U.S, but among minority groups, Indians are clearly the latest and greatest “model.” In 2007, the median income of households headed by an Indian American was approximately $83,000, compared with $61,000 for East Asians and $55,000 for whites."

Apparently as a group they are overrepresented in certain professions... "It’s tempting to dismiss Indian-American dominance of the spelling bee as just a cultural idiosyncrasy. But Indian success in more important fields is just as eye-catching. Despite constituting less than 1% of the U.S. population, Indian-Americans are 3% of the nation’s engineers, 7% of its IT workers and 8% of its physicians and surgeons. The overrepresentation of Indians in these fields is striking–in practical terms, your doctor is nine times more likely to be an Indian-American than is a random passerby on the street."

I am not Indian but we have a significant presence in our neighborhood and I like to think of myself as a person who attempts to obtain facts before coming to a conclusion (I may not always succeed but I do try).

This. For all the frets about shifting demographics, I really *don't* see it that much, and to the extent that I do, I see the demographics shifting in a positive direction, not a negative one.

But by and large the demographics of Elk Grove *haven't* changed all that much. Still mostly Caucasian, with sizeable Hispanic, East Asian or South Asian populations as well, and your typical Elk Grove person is still a Bay Area transplant priced out of said Bay Area.

[Stay West]

This. For all the frets about shifting demographics, I really *don't* see it that much, and to the extent that I do, I see the demographics shifting in a positive direction, not a negative one.

Here's the 2000 census map:
https://flickr.com/#/photos/walkings...7624812674967/

Here's the 2010 map:
https://flickr.com/#/photos/walkingsf/5559878519/

The difference in Elk Grove is shocking in my opinion. That is some serious white flight.

[bluevelo]

Originally Posted by EastBayGirlie

EG is for people who cannot afford Roseville. As a result, you've got a huge Indian presence. Sadly though, this area is too close and convenient to the gang neighborhoods, so it's the last place I would buy in.

Exactly. It has its nice areas, but they are only going to stay nice if the economy heats WAY back up and EG again becomes the only place you can find "affordable" housing for the middle class.

[caligirlz]

Here's a really *fun* thread about Elk Grove. Elk Grove as "ghetto"...I don't get it.

[NickB1967]

Originally Posted by Stay West

Here's the 2000 census map:
https://flickr.com/#/photos/walkings...7624812674967/

Here's the 2010 map:
https://flickr.com/#/photos/walkingsf/5559878519/

The difference in Elk Grove is shocking in my opinion. That is some serious white flight.

I see the dot COLOR maps, but again, those moving in are predominantly of the Asian persuasion (on the maps, "green dots"). This is usually *not* the detrimental warning sign that a large influx of "blue dots" sadly all too often means, and to a lesser extent what a large influx of "orange dots" sadly all too often means. In fact, it usually means quite the opposite. The "green dots" are usually educated, entrepreneurial, and professional people, or at least people striving to be so.

In a city like Cupertino (see the San Jose area dot maps) the "green dots" gentrified the town for all, including the remaining "red dots".

Moreover, Elk Grove population continues to grow, and rapidly. Elk Grove earned the title of the fastest growing city in the U.S. between July 1, 2004, and July 1, 2005, and was up there for most of that decade. The housing bust put a damper on that, but Elk Grove continues to grow more rapidly than Sacramento proper. So it isn't "red dot" people moving out, so much as it is "green dot" people moving in.

[hd4me]

This is what happens when you mix up all the dots...you get confetti!

The Racial Dot Map: One Dot Per Person for the Entire U.S.