Accepting moving out of the Bay Area (San Francisco, Sacramento: for rent, student loans)

[WizardOfRadical]

Originally Posted by Chimérique

Yes one should think about the urban stimulation you will get in Sacramento, certainly MORE than you would ever get in Santa Cruz.

Also note, that Sacramento is only 13 minutes further than Santa Cruz is from San Francisco with less traffic and minus the horribly dangerous Highway 17.

It's funny how some coastal people think they have lock on SF when Sacramentans have been dining, shopping and cavorting in SF like any other city/town within the greater NorCal area.

And yet come summer, in Santa Cruz all we see are plate decals from places like...Sacramento.

[pistola916]

Originally Posted by WizardOfRadical

And yet come summer, in Santa Cruz all we see are plate decals from places like...Sacramento.

Santa Cruz is a popular beach town. Sacramento is a real city. Apples and Oranges.

[wburg]

Yeah, most ratty little beach towns dependent on tourist dollars often get flooded with people from more affluent urban areas during the summer months.

[Majin]

Why do you guys continue to respond to WizardOfRadical like he is a honest actor?

[JohnS_15]

Originally Posted by NickB1967

Like I said, Sacto is not a bad place, and in fact some exciting things are happening. But let's not kid ourselves--a whole lot of people came out here for the affordable housing. But as the saying goes, bloom where you are planted. Make the best of where you are.

Agreed! I intend to do just that.

Just out of curiosity... what are the feelings of long-term Sacramento residents on the bay area transplant issue? I know among folks in SF that have been living there awhile - and are now stuck in whatever rent controlled shoe box apartment they were lucky enough to get into a few years back - there is some resentment to the huge influx of tech investment and jobs and money that has so massively driven up housing costs and is changing the face of the city quite dramatically.

I know the issue of bay area transplants is not necessarily a new one, but it has to have greatly increased the last few years. Are long term Sac residents happy to see this and the increase in property value and urban development that perhaps follows along with some of this? Or more annoyance because there likely is some snobbery that bay area transplants might bring along with changes that might not be welcome?

[sacite]

Originally Posted by xenxes

About being defensive... the city does seem to have an inferiority complex, i.e. Sac vs SF - Sacramento Magazine - March 2013 - Sacramento, California

I guess it's hard not to be when descriptors for Sac / Sacramentans include: "overflow parking", "Bay Area washout, "bathroom pit stop to Tahoe", California's "arm pit", America's "salad bowl" (whole central valley descriptor).

Well guess what, it's all of those things, and all the Bay area people should stay where they are and leave my overflow parking lot in peace

Honestly. SF sucks now. It really does. It's incredibly dirty. It's crowded. It has almost zero parking anywhere. It takes a gazillion hrs just to get in and out of it, and a damn good part of it is flat out ugly now. I grew up in the bay and will always consider myself a native. But I think SF let itself go to hell whilst looking down its nose at every other city. I say let the bay rhink whatever they like about Sac. For what it costs to live here, I thibk you get a hell of a lot more dollar for dollar than you can get in SF.

[wburg]

Originally Posted by JohnS_15

I know the issue of bay area transplants is not necessarily a new one, but it has to have greatly increased the last few years. Are long term Sac residents happy to see this and the increase in property value and urban development that perhaps follows along with some of this? Or more annoyance because there likely is some snobbery that bay area transplants might bring along with changes that might not be welcome?

It's a mixed bag. Sacramento doesn't really have rent control so the rising rents are disruptive but they aren't rising as high either. The increase in urban development isn't really due to Bay Area folks moving in, although they are often the target customer. Annoyances come in the form of people getting upset because we don't have thing X exactly the same way that we do in the Bay, or considering things like the weather a personal slight, and yes, the snobbery gets really old. Fortunately it's not universal. Real estate agents love Bay Area transplants because they're easy to overcharge for a house, but of course that means anyone expecting a more realistic price loses out. Increases in property value aren't good news for those trying to get into the housing market.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by TheFlats

SF and the inner East Bay have a very visible homeless population (it's there in the South Bay and Peninsula but not as visible). So does Portland and Seattle by my experience. Gutter punks, etc. Haven't been to SD but I'd guess it's down there too. It's a West Coast thing seems like. Here in Sac the river can get just as depressing as some of the downtown environs.

Eh, so does San Jose in the downtown area. I know. I live downtown and the homeless sleep across the street from where I live every night.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by wburg

NickB is really good at projection: because he's a Bay Area washout, he assumes everyone else aspires to live there too.

Eh, sorry, this is one of those rare times I disagree with you. I don't think he assumed this at all. But everyone knows Sac. does indeed have a large share of (slightly) wistful washouts from the Bay Area. And let's be honest, most people would probably prefer to live in the Bay Area if they could afford the same lifestyle as they have in Sac. It's just what's so.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by sacite

Honestly. SF sucks now. It really does. It's incredibly dirty. It's crowded. It has almost zero parking anywhere. It takes a gazillion hrs just to get in and out of it, and a damn good part of it is flat out ugly now. I grew up in the bay and will always consider myself a native. But I think SF let itself go to hell whilst looking down its nose at every other city. I say let the bay rhink whatever they like about Sac. For what it costs to live here, I thibk you get a hell of a lot more dollar for dollar than you can get in SF.

As a San Josean, I have also felt the same way about SF. Seems like every time I go up there it's like all the money has been vacuumed out of my wallet and I had to deal with long lines or some other inconvenience while paying for the privilege. And it hasn't gotten any better since the city has jacked up parking rates and installed meters in areas that previously didn't have them while transit into and out of the city has not improved.