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Southtown is the cultural center/main strip of two historic neighborhoods just south of downtown, King William and Lavaca.
The picture below shows the boundaries of both neighborhoods together and Southtown is the solid area.
http://i.imgur.com/Exvsd.png
Southtown is actually the whole area. KW and Lavaca are part of Southtown. The solid area = main business strip. Only KWA doesn't like to be included in Southtown....
02-17-2012, 08:08 AM
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That's very cool. Nothing there for rent in my price range right now, but I'll keep an eye on it. Thanks.
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Southtown is not a good area for kids to live in. The schools are sub-par and private school is out of the question unless you want to fork over another "rent" payment in tuition. I would stay out of SAISD all together. Just my opinion.
02-17-2012, 08:16 AM
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Southtown is not a good area for kids to live in. The schools are sub-par and private school is out of the question unless you want to fork over another "rent" payment in tuition. I would stay out of SAISD all together. Just my opinion.
Do you live in Southtown?
Our local public elementary (K-8) is excellent and a model for other schools. Many people from out of the area vie for a position at the school. It is SAISD and is an inner city school, but it also draws from an area of highly educated families who have made significant impacts on the school which benefit all students. It's main recognition is for its dual language immersion program, but it also has a great arts program and we're building the outdoor science program now.
Lots and lots and lots of kids here! We have a group, King William Area Kids, with near monthly events for families, with the aim that most are local/free/walking distance. Occasionally bigger ones like a camping trip.
While you are entitled to your opinion, be aware that many incredible families live here, and I honestly would not want to raise my kids anywhere else. The community here for kids is above and beyond any I've experienced elsewhere. The area is not for everyone (it'd be hard to find an affordable 4 bedroom 2500SF house here, for example), but the misconception that it's not suitable for families really can not be ignored.
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Southtown is the cultural center/main strip of two historic neighborhoods just south of downtown, King William and Lavaca.
The picture below shows the boundaries of both neighborhoods together and Southtown is the solid area.
http://i.imgur.com/Exvsd.png
King William is more expensive than Lavaca but there are new affordable housing options in both neighborhoods but they're mostly lofts, loft apartments or condos. There's also a few new loft/apartment buildings just south of Southtown in an area called SoFlo.
However, Windcrest is a very nice option with a very short commute to Rackspace, plus Windcrest is known for its Christmas lights competition/showcase every year.
After that, I'd suggest Schertz or Cibolo and Universial City is an option too.
There's also a fairly large and nice mix-use development planned for just south of the Rackspace HQ.
(Article on development:
Windcrest site near Rackspace is in developer?s sights - San Antonio Business Journal )
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02-17-2012, 08:28 AM
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Southtown is actually the whole area. KW and Lavaca are part of Southtown. The solid area = main business strip. Only KWA doesn't like to be included in Southtown....
I see what you're saying, but even the Southtown people consider just a small area of both neighborhoods as "Southtown" versus both neighborhoods. I do too believe it'd be better to just call both areas "Southtown" but as Southtown becomes its own little "district", I don't see that happening. imo
02-17-2012, 08:38 AM
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I see what you're saying, but even the Southtown people consider just a small area of both neighborhoods as "Southtown" versus both neighborhoods. I do too believe it'd be better to just call both areas "Southtown" but as Southtown becomes its own little "district", I don't see that happening. imo
No, only the KWA which represents a very few people, and some misguided person in a city office who couldn't be bothered to figure out the real southtown, limit Southtown to the business strip. For as long as I've lived here, the whole area has been Southtown. And apart from those few KWA folks, everyone who lives in Southtown refers to Southtown as the whole area, not just the business strip.
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I considered moving to either Southtown or over by the Southwest School of Art. We are military and I am originally from San Antonio. Culturally and classwise, King William, Southtown, and much of Downtown have become increasingly metro,educated, and affluent. Lots of great lofts and historical structures. I also know many of the school in SAISD have moved towards improving, creating charters, and specializing their campuses. That being said elementary school is very different from Middle and High School rankings. I see Bonham has achieved TEA Recognized status which is commendable as well, but it seems to be the exception and not the rule in that disctrict.
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I considered moving to either Southtown or over by the Southwest School of Art. We are military and I am originally from San Antonio. Culturally and classwise, King William, Southtown, and much of Downtown have become increasingly metro,educated, and affluent. Lots of great lofts and historical structures. I also know many of the school in SAISD have moved towards improving, creating charters, and specializing their campuses. That being said elementary school is very different from Middle and High School rankings. I see Bonham has achieved TEA Recognized status which is commendable as well, but it seems to be the exception and not the rule in that disctrict.
You are right. It is the exception, but as Bonham is the school which serves Southtown, it makes sense to consider Bonham's quality alone, not all of SAISD. Bonham is now K-8.
The High School is not quite there yet. However, those same parents who have turned Bonham around have kids getting older and are now turning their sights to the high school (and still working on improving 6-8 at Bonham).
The argument that "Southtown isn't for kids" is not a reasonable one. You can argue lots of things about why the area may not appeal (old houses, mixed income, trains), but that it is not family friendly is simply false. We've considered moving elsewhere (outside San Antonio) and one thing holding us back is the community - finding a true village like we have here is very difficult.
Now all that said, didn't the OP say they homeschool?
02-17-2012, 09:32 AM
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Now all that said, didn't the OP say they homeschool?
Yes, my husband homeschools our kids.
I suppose it's wise to consider the schools anyway, in case we decide to put the kids in public schools in the future.
That said, the community feel you describe sounds AWESOME. I would love to find that wherever we move to SA! One of the hardest things about moving to Houston 4 years ago was finding families to hang out with (I have no idea why, seems like a lot of people were raised here and already have their circle of friends full).
Thanks for all the info, teenwolf. That development looks interesting. I'm also going to consider Windcrest (I know the surrounding area is not considered great, but Windcrest proper seems to be considered relatively safe).
I appreciate all the conversation, very informative.
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People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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