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Old 01-14-2013, 04:53 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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They clearly haven't seen cattle car commutes for themselves. Have you seen a SF/Daly City bound train by the time it gets to Oakland? Yikes.
My God! I remember being one of those people at MacArthur in the morning having to wait for the next train into the city because you physically could not get on. Big advantage living in Richmond
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:55 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Perhaps we need another line that runs along 580 from Castro Valley up to and through Oakland?
Yep, I mentioned that too in the Fantasy BART thread.
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:57 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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SF-Richmond Train at 5PM. Enough said.
^this
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Old 01-14-2013, 04:58 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Coming home at 5pm to Oakland I never had trouble getting a seat at Montgomery. But going to SF on BART in the morning was always a drag, the trains would be standing room only, zero seats available. Probably a lot of people go into work around 730AM to 8 and leave later than I would, more like 6 to 8pm. I think they run fewer trains after 6pm than before it, and a few times I had to work late and left around 6 or 7 it was always really bad going back to Oakland compared to 5pm.
When's the last time you did this?
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, CA
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When's the last time you did this?
Well, he doesn't even live in the Bay Area, and it's obviously changed a LOT since he's left when ever that was. The S.F-Richmond train at 5PM is one of the worst mass transit experiences I can imagine (smelly, hot, crowded).
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:33 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Perhaps we need another line that runs along 580 from Castro Valley up to and through Oakland?
Increasing the length of trains and frequencies would be A LOT cheaper and easier. For the cost to build another line along 580 you could build another Transbay Tube (which would benefit more people) and/or double track along the existing line to add express service.
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Old 01-14-2013, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Police State
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They clearly don't know when the commute home begins either. A four car to Dublin/Pleasanton at 3:30? LOL, no.
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Old 01-14-2013, 06:25 PM
 
Location: South Korea
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When's the last time you did this?
A year ago...I didn't say it wouldn't be worse now. My point was that a year ago BART was terrible in the morning and not that bad at 5pm. If it's bad at 5pm now then I bet the morning is REALLY bad.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:40 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Well, he doesn't even live in the Bay Area, and it's obviously changed a LOT since he's left when ever that was. The S.F-Richmond train at 5PM is one of the worst mass transit experiences I can imagine (smelly, hot, crowded).
It's not much better after that either. My job sometimes has me way out in the city and I often don't get back to powell until 6:30. Still a nightmare although at that time it seems the Pittsburg train is a little worse. I managed to work that trip out; in the morning, get off at Montgomery to get the 38/38L before it gets too packed and on the way home, get off the bus at Powell before the Montgomery crowd floods the BART.
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Old 01-14-2013, 09:42 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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A year ago...I didn't say it wouldn't be worse now. My point was that a year ago BART was terrible in the morning and not that bad at 5pm. If it's bad at 5pm now then I bet the morning is REALLY bad.
I have been back in the Bay Area for over a year. Having a hard time remembering when BART wasn't the tenth circle of hell during either commute.
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