03-01-2013, 01:14 PM
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The problem is, let's say our Bay Area designation is within 35 miles of SF or San Jose (ignoring Oakland at the moment).
03-01-2013, 01:20 PM
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jade408
The problem is, let's say our Bay Area designation is within 35 miles of SF or San Jose (ignoring Oakland at the moment). How exactly should we set the boundaries
Well, stories of going to nude beaches work, ya never know what might appeal. I have no hard and fast rule.
Normally I use mountain ranges though. Which was vital in the Concord decision.
When checking on Stockton I consider other factors. Such as Stockton smells and is to far away as the crow flies even though they have a port. So I exclude them. And I'd hate for Stockton to get vainglorious about being "Bay area". We'd never hear the end of it.
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03-01-2013, 01:47 PM
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The problem is, let's say our Bay Area designation is within 35 miles of SF or San Jose (ignoring Oakland at the moment).
Judge, how about jade for your new court clerk, to replace the Lafayette spy? She's got it goin' on!
Mountain ranges is a good one (as long as the Berkeley Hills don't count), which would explain Santa Cruz being out, along with Half Moon Bay. Gilroy is also out, based on the cow town criterion. (Cow town/rural status trumps proximity.)
I can't believe the court would even consider Stockton! Anyplace considered a satellite of Sac'to is automatically out. And aren't there slaughterhouses in Stockton? ew
Presence of any "ew" factors disqualify a place.
03-01-2013, 01:56 PM
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Any towns listed on California Central Valley maps are excluded from "Bay Area" status, whether they're in Bay Area counties or not.
California Central Valley Map - Mapsof.net
Note that this includes Pittsburg, a BART destination, as well as self-declared cowtown, Vacaville.
03-01-2013, 01:59 PM
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Judge, how about jade for your new court clerk, to replace the Lafayette spy? She's got it goin' on!
Mountain ranges is a good one (as long as the Berkeley Hills don't count), which would explain Santa Cruz being out, along with Half Moon Bay. Gilroy is also out, based on the cow town criterion. (Cow town/rural status trumps proximity.)
I can't believe the court would even consider Stockton! Anyplace considered a satellite of Sac'to is automatically out. And aren't there slaughterhouses in Stockton? ew
Presence of any "ew" factors disqualify a place.
I just mentioned Stockton as others have, lol. Considered and rejected.
Cow town itself is not disqualifying unless it is sufficiently rural though. But I don't consider Gilroy to be Bay Area personally. I consider it shopping on the way to the Bay Area or SC.
Doc is ineligible as he's got a civil judgement against him.
Sadly I'm not hiring a clerk.
Easy on that "ew" factor though. The court might consider live sex shows in SF as adverse evidence.
03-01-2013, 01:59 PM
Location: San Jose, CA
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03-01-2013, 02:08 PM
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I move that the court temporarily adjourn to consider this new evidence.
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03-01-2013, 02:56 PM
Location: Lafayette, CA
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I don't think anyone who lives in "Fresno" can determine what cities are in the Bay Area. This cow town court has no authority.
03-01-2013, 02:59 PM
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Mountain ranges is a good one (as long as the Berkeley Hills don't count),
Although I think mountain ranges/hills can do a good job of outlining the "inner" Bay Area from the "outer" Bay Area. For the most part, if you're crossing a hill/mountain range, you're leaving/entering the core of the Bay Area (most accurate in the East Bay, not as accurate in North Bay).
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03-01-2013, 03:15 PM
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Although I think mountain ranges/hills can do a good job of outlining the "inner" Bay Area from the "outer" Bay Area. For the most part, if you're crossing a hill/mountain range, you're leaving the core of the Bay Area (most accurate in the East Bay, not as accurate in North Bay).
It works for the North Bay insofar as it would define Stinson Beach and Bolinas as being outside the Bay Area, which I agree with.
RE: East Bay regions, it raises some tricky questions. I don't think there's ever been a question that Orinda, Lafayette and WC were part of the Bay Area. Concord is also included, now. However, points south of WC along 680 haven't been considered part of the Bay Area in the past (Dublin, Alamo, Pleasanton, etc.). If we use hills and 680 as a definition of "not Bay", or "Outer Bay", then we'd have to treat WC and Concord the same as Dublin, Livermore, etc. The judge has ruled WC and Concord as "in". It remains to be clarified whether the towns south of WC along 680 qualify as Bay Area.
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House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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