12-06-2010, 10:25 AM
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For a 600k house, 20% down...mortgage would be 480k...at 5.2% 30 year....payment would be around 2600 a month. Take home after taxes from a 110k salary would be about 2500-2600 every 2 weeks. So the mortgage would be roughly a little less than half of monthly take home pay. For someone who is able to save for and willing to put down 120k on a mortgage, they should have the saving-sense to live within their means (of course not everyone does) and at least 20k-40k extra saved besides. $2600 extra to live on a month is doable for a 2-4 person family who has no outstanding debts besides their mortgage...it may not allow for a high amount of savings every month, but it is doable...even with prop taxes, and extra living expenses... and also assuming there is income growth and bonuses definitely help.
How many people are really putting 20% down? I suspect, not that many.
I agree with you, if I made 110K, I could probably do your scenario if I wanted to...but I am a saver....and most other people aren't...although I will concede engineers seem like they're better at the savings game than most.
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12-06-2010, 10:34 AM
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We have too many engineers, not enough land to build on lol.
We don't have a lot of land but we do have some. We just have to build up instead of out. And what little land parcels we have left the NIMBYS want to keep as "open space" to "protect the environment". Yeah...so they can build houses in Stockton and people can drive 60 miles one way to work all the while polluting the air in their cars and jamming the roads...yeah that's great for Mother Earth.
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12-06-2010, 10:40 AM
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I have two co-workers earning not much more than that (maybe $150k) who each bought $900k houses over the past year. One of them put zero money down and has two mortgages. They may be insane - I certainly think so - but it's patently false that they can't qualify for a loan.
It's anecdotal evidence, I know...but you're confirming my suspicion that a lot of dumb loans are still being made. They're just a little less dumb than they were 5 years ago...but IMO, we need to go back to the 1980s or even earlier before we get to a time when there were REAL lending standards, and I don't think we're anywhere close to that.
12-06-2010, 12:32 PM
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I have two co-workers earning not much more than that (maybe $150k) who each bought $900k houses over the past year. One of them put zero money down and has two mortgages. They may be insane - I certainly think so - but it's patently false that they can't qualify for a loan.
Arguably if you don't have at least a 750 credit score, you have no business taking on a mortgage. Clean up the credit, pay off any other debt, and then consider whether it makes sense.
I think your numbers are off in any case - I used this mortgage calculator:
Mortgage Calculator
with the following assumptions:
$600k house
$450k mortgage ($150k downpayment)
4.75% interest
30 year loan
excellent credit
1.25% property tax
and it estimated the monthly payment at $2972.41 per month. (32% of gross income)
Even with zero downpayment (utter folly in my opinion) it comes out to $3754.88/month. Very expensive compared with renting, no doubt, but within the range of affordability for someone earning $110k/year. They won't have a lot of cash left for discretionary spending, though, after paying the mortgage and other bills, and saving something for retirement.
Nothing I said above should suggest that I think it's a good idea to buy right now. House prices are still very high compared with all the fundamentals (comparable rents, incomes, and the historical ratio of house prices to both of these), and prices seem to have started to fall again now that the government subsidies have been removed.
This does not seem normal or make very much sense. Especially for a 900K house. What? What bank would finance this with no downpayment? Their monthly must be close to $7000. Also I HAD a 400K house with a 5.95% APR and after HOA's and property taxes etc I was paying about $3100 per month. Also not many people have 150K to put down on a house.
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12-06-2010, 03:49 PM
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According to my lender when we just did our re-fi, it's extremely hard to get a loan right now, even with good credit/high income. He told me you need at least 20% down or forget it.
12-06-2010, 03:55 PM
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It's anecdotal evidence, I know...but you're confirming my suspicion that a lot of dumb loans are still being made. They're just a little less dumb than they were 5 years ago...but IMO, we need to go back to the 1980s or even earlier before we get to a time when there were REAL lending standards, and I don't think we're anywhere close to that.
Have you talked to any lenders lately? They only lend if you have a 20% downpayment. For every stack of loans they sort through, only a small % is getting qualified for a home loan now. When the title guy came to our house a few months ago to sign our loan docs said "wow--we are getting a lot of loans rejected nowadays!"
12-06-2010, 03:59 PM
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If this is true then I must be making minimum wage with my $83K and my employer must be making out like a bandit with the skills I bring to the table as a Linux/Unix sysadmin (10 years experience).
Yeah, I think you are grossly unpaid.
Network like crazy--sure someone will gladly snatch you & offer you a higher salary.
Hang in there....my husband (from the UK) was recruited here over 10 years ago. He started out as an engineer, making 65k. He is making almost triple that today.
12-06-2010, 04:27 PM
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Yeah, I think you are grossly unpaid.
Network like crazy--sure someone will gladly snatch you & offer you a higher salary.
Hang in there....my husband (from the UK) was recruited here over 10 years ago. He started out as an engineer, making 65k. He is making almost triple that today.
Thanks for the info
12-06-2010, 05:50 PM
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Have you talked to any lenders lately? They only lend if you have a 20% downpayment. For every stack of loans they sort through, only a small % is getting qualified for a home loan now. When the title guy came to our house a few months ago to sign our loan docs said "wow--we are getting a lot of loans rejected nowadays!"
No, I haven't. I am permanently priced out of the housing market here.
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Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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