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Old 12-17-2017, 03:02 AM
 
Location: I'm in the living room. That's kind of a weird question to ask.
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The title is actually a question Max Tegmark posed on a Waking Up With Sam Harris podcast he was on in September.

Its a good question. It may be the most important question of my lifetime!

Dont get me wrong...
Im not trying to but-in on S&T territory, but with all due respect, with the exception of a few people speculating about how the singularity will end us all, i dont really see a lot of concrete discussion specifically about AI in this forum.
Im not even sure what kind of forum a discussion about AI belongs in.
Pets? Politics? Fantasy?

Flame me, call me a kook, better have said worse but dont let the most posted about topic in recent CDF S&T history languish in a single op-ed type thread.

I usually close with HATERS BACK OFF but at this point ill happily entertain a few haters to get the ball rolling.
Ill get you haters started, "This NOOB is a Dork!"

Thanks in advance,
Mr. P
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Old 12-17-2017, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 N, 🌄W
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What will happen?

We can only speculate at this point.
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Old 12-17-2017, 09:58 PM
 
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i'd question why people haven't bothered to learn new things first...
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Old 12-17-2017, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
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Not being a machine, logic would tend to make me think that asking your dishwasher might be a better way to get the question answered...

The game of "Go" has been conquered, most trading on the markets is now accomplished without human intervention. What currently exists is a valid answer to the question.
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Old 12-18-2017, 05:05 AM
 
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The bigger question is what does a capitalistic society do. The employee depends on the employer to put money in their pocket, the employer depends on the employee having money in their pocket to buy their product. It's a symbiotic relationship and if a robot can do all the work that system is broken.

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most trading on the markets is now accomplished without human intervention. What currently exists is a valid answer to the question.
AFAIK they are not using AI but complex algos programmed by mathematicians, humans are still pulling the trigger but harnessing the vast computational power of computers to make their decision.
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Old 12-18-2017, 12:28 PM
 
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I dont think we will see a true AI until computer technology is merged with human biology, it will create an entirely new class, there will be hardware, software and this (maybe bio-ware).

I dont think its going to happen overnight either, its going to take place slowly over a period of years or even decades, chances are, we wont even notice it either.
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Old 12-18-2017, 05:23 PM
 
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I dont think we will see a true AI ....

What is true AI? Many of the machines are replicating human human intelligence quite well. Watson, self driving cars etc. It's only a matter of time before they can do any task and I would suggest that time is short.
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Old 12-18-2017, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Pueblo - Colorado's Second City
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We will have to merge with technology to become transhuman allowing us to keep up....
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Old 12-21-2017, 10:45 AM
 
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What is true AI? Many of the machines are replicating human human intelligence quite well. Watson, self driving cars etc. It's only a matter of time before they can do any task and I would suggest that time is short.
Self drive cars, Watson, etc. all those things require immense and complex programming, those things can NEVER go beyond what they are programmed for.

We are still fairly far away from having technology that can go beyond its programming, on its own, with NO human assistance. I really doubt the general public would ever be allowed access to such technology even when it is created, it would be too much of a potential threat to society as a whole.
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Old 12-21-2017, 03:59 PM
 
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Self drive cars, Watson, etc. all those things require immense and complex programming, those things can NEVER go beyond what they are programmed for.
It's actually the opposite. Watson is not programmed with any specific set of answers like a normal computer would be. If you show a 10 year old child tthe letter A in one thousand different fonts they will be able to identify most of them as A even if they neve saw the letter A in that font before. That requires intelligence. If you gave a regular computer those 1000 A's it would have to look up what it's been told is A and if that font is not in it's database it has no clue. If there is an entry and assuming the input is right it will give the absolute correct answer every time.

The problem with this is you could never hope to document all of human knowledge in such a system. Even if you could the processing power and storage to operate it would be absolutely enormous.

That is where the technology Watson is using comes in. You give it 20 examples of A and program it to identify the rest of them. what needs to be understood is you can give it an A and may produce a wrong answer. What is also important to understand is when it's wrong it doesn't add that A to it's list of known A's, it changes it's programming so it gets it right. The longer it operates the smarter it gets.



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We are still fairly far away from having technology that can go beyond its programming, on its own,
Back in July two AI computers started talking to each other in a language they created. As I understand it they removed all the redundancy found in the English language so they could communicate more efficiently. It's gibberish to a human but the computers could make perfect sense of it because they were not constrained by the limits of humans.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tonybra.../#715568f9292c
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