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Old 05-31-2020, 07:10 AM
 
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It was sufficient to "float" dirigibles, and THEY had to weight a lot (at least the gondola and passengers it carried), or is hydrogen more powerful? Yes, I know the Hindenburg exploded, but that's another issue...
You CAN buy "balloon buddies" helium tanks cheaply; would it help to fill beach balls stuffed in the stern and bow? If not, I'll concede defeat.
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Old 05-31-2020, 07:48 AM
 
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Anything you add inside the boat is not going to increase it's capacity. Even Helium filled balloons. You'd need a big balloon to make a significant difference. Take a look at a the Goodyear Blimp. It's big.
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Old 05-31-2020, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Anything you add inside the boat is not going to increase it's capacity. Even Helium filled balloons. You'd need a big balloon to make a significant difference. Take a look at a the Goodyear Blimp. It's big.
Exactly. There's a reason airplanes overtook airships/hot air balloons. The same level of lift but but incredibly slow. And I don't think helium is that cheap right now. I think best case scenario it'd be a wash compared to the price of just selling the small kayak and getting a larger one. And I'm not gonna recommend buying hydrogen. That stuff can be dangerous.
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Old 05-31-2020, 08:48 AM
 
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omg I'm weeping. and not from laughing.
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Old 05-31-2020, 08:56 AM
 
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omg I'm weeping. and not from laughing.
I warned you I was science-challenged.
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Old 05-31-2020, 08:57 AM
 
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You CAN buy "balloon buddies" helium tanks cheaply; would it help to fill beach balls stuffed in the stern and bow? If not, I'll concede defeat.
Concede it now.
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Old 05-31-2020, 09:52 AM
 
Location: God's Gift to Mankind for flying anything
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It was sufficient to "float" dirigibles, and THEY had to weight a lot (at least the gondola and passengers it carried), or is hydrogen more powerful? Yes, I know the Hindenburg exploded, but that's another issue...
Are we talking about a kayak the size of the Hindenburg?

Hydrogen is lighter than Helium, to answer that question...
But only about 8%...
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Old 05-31-2020, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Wooster, Ohio
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You CAN buy "balloon buddies" helium tanks cheaply; would it help to fill beach balls stuffed in the stern and bow? If not, I'll concede defeat.
To lift 100 lbs, it would require 1449 cu ft; a 15.5 ft diameter balloon. See this link:
https://www.uu.edu/dept/physics/scie...s/2000July.cfm

$60, including tax, buys you a 14.9 cu ft tank of helium. So 1449 cu ft would require about 100 tanks, or $6000. Helium molecules are small and tend to leak, so you would probably have to refill your balloon with every trip of your kayak.

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Helium has become so expensive that these 14.9 cu ft tanks now are only 80% helium. 80% helium is only capable of lifting the balloon; it is not capable of lifting a load. So your 15.5 ft diameter balloon filled with $6000 of 80% helium would simply bob in the wind.
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Old 05-31-2020, 02:34 PM
 
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To lift 100 lbs, it would require 1449 cu ft; a 15.5 ft diameter balloon. See this link:
https://www.uu.edu/dept/physics/scie...s/2000July.cfm

$60, including tax, buys you a 14.9 cu ft tank of helium. So 1449 cu ft would require about 100 tanks, or $6000. Helium molecules are small and tend to leak, so you would probably have to refill your balloon with every trip of your kayak.

Except:

Helium has become so expensive that these 14.9 cu ft tanks now are only 80% helium. 80% helium is only capable of lifting the balloon; it is not capable of lifting a load. So your 15.5 ft diameter balloon filled with $6000 of 80% helium would simply bob in the wind.
Thanks for this!

I wonder how large the balloon(s) would have to be for a kayak + heavy person. I'm thinking at least 300#.
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Old 05-31-2020, 03:41 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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In the immortal words of Roy Scheider:

"You're gonna need a bigger boat!"

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