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Old 10-09-2015, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Nashville
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not true again
Any blatant violation of civil rights as in this case will results in easy revenue for any skilled/experienced lawyer of any race, gender, denomination or creed.

That is, unless our Supreme Court will re-write federal discrimination laws in a manner where blacks discriminating against whites is acceptable.


This case is a very typical example of "Club Based Race/Religion Exclusion" that the country has been plagued with for generations.


But, I know that civil rights is passionate for many Jewish people, myself included, and I do believe a Jewish lawyer who focuses on civil rights would be more willing to take the case than others. Although, most civil rights cases are generally the other way around (blacks discriminated against whites), this would be a prime candidate for a discrimination lawsuit that would even have the backing of the state's Attorney General.

I'd advise the OP to get active on this and write some letters and contact attorneys..
Washington State | Office of the Attorney General

Heck, find a white woman who is willing to be barred or even "discriminated" in the class for her skin color. Being discriminated against in any fashion, even if not barred from the class is still grounds for a discrimination lawsuit and the penalties for being guilty of one are extremely dire. I've read up on them.

Back to the subject, if we are going to allow yoga classes to refuse admitting white people, then we need to allow yoga classes to refuse admitting black people. It is only fair by our racial discrimination laws. Essentially, we would be bringing back Jim Crow laws, but now it's in both directions.

This is why Black-Only Yoga classes need to be shut down and the person be sued and suffer the consequences for their actions.

 
Old 10-09-2015, 10:19 PM
 
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Old 10-09-2015, 10:47 PM
 
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Hey guys I have some disappointing news.. A Rainer beach yoga studio doesn't allow whites in their yoga classes only people of color are allowed. My friend also has a kid who goes to A school in highline and says most of the people there of "color" are openly racist against white people. This is why I don't like diversity because There is always some type of race issue hidden beneath. I think whites are actually more tolerant than most! But the point of me writing this is just to show the double standard! Also I don't know why the main news doesn't cover this if it was the other way around boy would America know about it! Just to say I am NOT racist I take people at face value but boy do I have some issues with people like this REGARDLESS of their race!
In other news, who cares?

There are plenty of "European Only" signs throughout the city of Seattle. Any time that you see a sign that says, "By Invitation Only", "Private Event", "Private Party", etc... All that is code for saying, "For people who are of European descent only." It's just that Europeans are usually too cowardice to just come on out and say it.

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Old 10-09-2015, 11:01 PM
 
Location: Nashville
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In other news, who cares?

There are plenty of "European Only" signs throughout the city of Seattle. Any time that you see a sign that says, "By Invitation Only", "Private Event", "Private Party", etc... All that is code for saying, "For people who are of European decent only." It's just that Europeans are usually too cowardice to just come on out and say it.
So should we re-institute Jim Crow Laws then? According to your logic.. I mean who cares?

And, I have seen the signs "Private Event", "Private Party", etc where there have been many black people in the room. Your logic and assumptions are quite flawed.

Maybe, we cannot topple every instance of racial discrimination, but at least we can put a stop to those who are doing it overtly and blatantly in our faces. Start there and work down the ladder.
 
Old 10-09-2015, 11:22 PM
 
Location: Portal to the Pacific
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I use to agree with you then I moved to a diverse area and I noticed people seem to do and behave similarly according their race. Why is it that some races seem to be more successful than others? I know not everyone of a race behaves exactly the same but why is there similarities in behavior? I feel a little confused in the topic of race that why is I'm trying to discus it and get a good view! I know people are people the soul is what counts and that race should have no bearing on the behavior and traits of a perosn but why am I seeing pattern in the way races behave OVERALL?
It's good that you are asking if you are ignorant and it's extremely important you understand:

If humans and apes share 99% of DNA sequences (which is true) it means that any 2 humans across the globe will differ by less than 1%. Racism is based solely on skin color and is truly just "skin deep". It comes down to this: Some people simply have more melanin than others.

The differences in behavior you see between races is 100% attributable to a composite of socioeconomics, education, natural environments and co-cultures (world view, value systems and interpersonal communication). I don't even believe people have a "soul" as much as I believe people have temperaments and identities. Temperament is the underlining idiosyncratic general "mood" of a person and in my experience of being a mother it is largely fixed and present just after birth. Identities on the other hand are malleable and they are not static. The identity one has when they are 3 years old is not the same as when one is 33 or 103. Groups also have identities and while group identities also change, they take more time (similar to institutions). It can take a generation, if not many.

So why do some groups (races) have historically done better than others? Many reasons and many authors have talked about it. George Friedman (or was it Neil Ferguson?) I think makes a good argument as to why people of particular geographic regions have done better, including Europeans. I think it boils down to technology and natural resources... Europeans had the right resources with the right technology with the right concentration of population and was able to conquer ocean voyage soon and better. It mattered less that they had less melanin.. it mattered more that they had forests and fuel... and a violent, war-enticing culture.

If you are talking specifically about African-Americans or just Africans, you have to remember that Africa is the most culturally and linguistically diverse continent on the planet. In order to form an empire you have to have a large concentrated population that shares in the same dominant culture in order to galvanize, organize and send forth to conquer foreign lands and people... that's not Africa's history. One of the reasons why Europeans were able to traffic humans across the Atlantic for hundreds of years was because of tribal warfare. If the bulk of African tribes had been organized and unified, had different technology and plenty of natural resources then history might have been written very differently. Do you see my point?

I hope that makes sense to you.
 
Old 10-10-2015, 02:08 AM
 
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It's good that you are asking if you are ignorant ... If the bulk of African tribes had been organized and unified, had different technology and plenty of natural resources ...
You display some ignorance of your own. Africa has tons of natural resources. It's probably the richest continent in terms of natural resources.

In the immediate post-colonial period, the "economic experts" were predicting that Africa would blossom into an economic powerhouse, because Africa was so resource-rich. They also predicted that the Pacific Rim nations would struggle in poverty, because they were so resource-poor.

The opposite occurred. Africa remains an economic basket-case. The Pacific Rim nations are an economic powerhouse.

Libertarian writers often point out these erroneous predictions made by non-libertarian economists. (I first came across this observation in the 1980s.)

Libertarians observe that this proves that economic strength derives not from natural resources, but from economic systems. The African nations largely adopted socialism, whereas the Pacific Rim nations' economies were freer. Thus, the Pacific Rim prospered despite being resource-poor, while Africa suffered despite being resource-rich.
 
Old 10-10-2015, 02:11 AM
 
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If humans and apes share 99% of DNA sequences (which is true) it means that any 2 humans across the globe will differ by less than 1%.
Without justifying racism, "less than 1%" is significant. A tiny variation in DNA (far less than 1%) can determine whether your child is born healthy, or blind, deaf, or retarded.
 
Old 10-10-2015, 02:14 AM
 
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In what sense does this yoga class "not allow" whites to join? If it's an official policy, in writing, then it should be an easy case.

But if it's simply a case of whites being made to "feel unwelcome" -- sullen stares, being ignored by other students -- then a legal case is far more difficult. Then it's a "hostile environment."

I'm not even sure that a yoga studio is obligated to police its customers (as opposed to policing its employees) to assure that they're friendly to each other.
 
Old 10-10-2015, 02:40 AM
 
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In what sense does this yoga class "not allow" whites to join? If it's an official policy, in writing, then it should be an easy case.

But if it's simply a case of whites being made to "feel unwelcome" -- sullen stares, being ignored by other students -- then a legal case is far more difficult. Then it's a "hostile environment."

I'm not even sure that a yoga studio is obligated to police its customers (as opposed to policing its employees) to assure that they're friendly to each other.
Actually, discrimination is discrimination, it doesn't just have to do with being barricaded from joning a class, but if a person is treated in a demeaning, unfair, degrading or substandard conditions due simply to their race, this still would qualify as "discrimination". For example, if a person at a restaurant, like Denny's, says "you are black (or white), you will have to wait behind the white (or black) gentleman in line." Or, imagine a black person comes to a yoga class in Rainier Beach and the yoga instrutor says, "Hey we reallly would like to keep our class only to have white people, I mean you can join, but we really don't want you here." You seriously, think in this situation that the black person would not promptly go and file a discrimination suit against the studio for racism? In fact, he/she probably be justified and win such a discrimination suit, just as a white woman coming to this Non-White Female Yoga class, would win if she goes to the class and is told , "You are white, we don't really want you here." Just reverse the colors and then get back to me about whether civil rights were violated. The fact is, this yoga studio is a business that is operating and they are expected to meet certain criteria enforced by both federal and state law.

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What Do the Anti-Discrimination Laws Say?

At the heart of the debate is a system of anti-discrimination laws enacted by federal, state and local governments. The entire United States is covered by the Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination by privately owned places of public accommodation on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin. Places of “public accommodation” include hotels, restaurants, theaters, banks, health clubs and stores. Nonprofit organizations such as churches are generally exempt from the law.

So, no matter where you live, you cannot deny service to someone because of his or her race, color, religion, national origin or disability. In some states and cities, you also cannot discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation. If there is no state, federal or local law prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations against a particular group of people, then you can legally refuse to serve that group of people


What qualifies as Discrimination? I think this article produced by the Department of Labor does in fact include the consumers/customers, just as they would an employee of a business under racial harassment laws, which are part of the anti-discrimination laws of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and other such related acts passed after.

https://www.dol.gov/oasam/programs/crc/diatl.pdf

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The Civil Rights Center (known as “CRC”), in the
U.S. Department of Labor, is in charge of overseeing many of these laws.
It does not matter if you are a customer wanting or needing services; an
employee of the business, organization, or office; a person applying for a job;

The yoga studio is a business of some sort, then the person is paying for a service and being discriminated/harassed in a business environment for their skin color.
 
Old 10-10-2015, 03:28 AM
 
Location: Portal to the Pacific
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You display some ignorance of your own. Africa has tons of natural resources. It's probably the richest continent in terms of natural resources.

In the immediate post-colonial period, the "economic experts" were predicting that Africa would blossom into an economic powerhouse, because Africa was so resource-rich. They also predicted that the Pacific Rim nations would struggle in poverty, because they were so resource-poor.

The opposite occurred. Africa remains an economic basket-case. The Pacific Rim nations are an economic powerhouse.

Libertarian writers often point out these erroneous predictions made by non-libertarian economists. (I first came across this observation in the 1980s.)

Libertarians observe that this proves that economic strength derives not from natural resources, but from economic systems. The African nations largely adopted socialism, whereas the Pacific Rim nations' economies were freer. Thus, the Pacific Rim prospered despite being resource-poor, while Africa suffered despite being resource-rich.

Of course, but that's not what I meant. You had to have all the "ingredients of dominance" at once, not just one at a time. Readily available resources was only one of pieces. The dominating culture and strong institutional organization wasn't in the equation during the colonial era...

And still isn't.

I don't think our stories differ to much, really.
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