View Poll Results: should area government give even one dime to pro sports while foster children go under-funded?
yes
12 38.71%
no
17 54.84%
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2 6.45%
12-11-2018, 11:27 PM
Location: WA Desert, Seattle native
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We have money for pro sports, but not for foster children.
Complete nonsense as the two don't have to be mutually exclusive. Can some Seattleites support both a major league team and other services that help the community? Of course they can. This whole thread is based on a pretty silly premise, IMO.
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12-11-2018, 11:55 PM
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There is a lot of generosity here people take for granted. So much money is given to the disadvantaged. The real issue is that it's not used effectively. This has nothing to do with pro sports.
12-12-2018, 05:32 PM
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Complete nonsense as the two don't have to be mutually exclusive. Can some Seattleites support both a major league team and other services that help the community? Of course they can. This whole thread is based on a pretty silly premise, IMO.
I actually admit that there is something to this in terms of logic--it's called the 'false dilemma' fallacy.
However, in practice, it does not pan out. We have only so much tax revenue. If we spend a dollar on a hockey stadium, that's a dollar we can't spend on foster children. We could raise taxes, but that probably won't fly politically. So in practice, it is not a 'silly premise.' It's reality.
The gov't budget is no different from the family budget. Everything should be prioritized, and the top priorities get the first spending. If your kids don't have enough to eat, you're probably not going to spend a few hundred dollars taking the family to a Seahawks game.
12-12-2018, 08:40 PM
Location: Hollywood and Vine
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If only you knew how much the Seahawks gave back to the community , I am sure someone else could comment about the Mariners IDK , but I have gone to many fundraisers. Most if not all the players have their own foundations or causes and they are almost always for children in need in many ways . This is an old incomplete list but all of these foundations are still very active and there are now more of them and they are all for children .
I know this list will not be enough but Like PNWGuy , I will have to agree to disagree . I know what they do for kids everyday .
https://www.seattlefoundation.org/no...rs-action-fund
Michael Bennett of Seattle Seahawks to donate endorsement money in 2017
No. 1: Spirit of 12 Partners Program
Who: The Spirit of 12 Partners Program was founded under the umbrella of the Seattle Seahawks Charitable Foundation in 2004.
What: The program allows local nonprofits to sell the Seahawks Gameday Magazine at regular season home games. The organization keeps the profits and then the Paul G. Allen Family Foundation matches it. Lavender said this program has been particularly successful at funneling dollars right back into the community.
No. 2: Legion of Youth
Who: Boeing and the Seattle Seahawks
What: Gives 100 regular season home game tickets to a local youth-focused group or organization.
No. 3: A Better Seattle
Who: Pete Carroll (Head Coach)
What: This community initiative works to reduce violence by funding and training outreach workers who work directly with at-risk youth.
No. 4: Russell Okung's UP Foundation
Who: Russell Okung (Offensive Tackle)
What: Works with children of single-parent homes to foster leadership and show the importance of education.
No. 5: Kam Cares Foundation
Who: Kam Chancellor (Safety)
What: Builds communities by helping under-represented or under-served community members.
No. 6: Marshawn Lynch Fam 1 st Family Foundation
Who: Marshawn Lynch (Running Back)
What: Empowers and educates underprivileged Bay Area youth.
No. 7: Cliff Avril Family Foundation
Who: Cliff Avril (Defensive End)
What: Works with youth with juvenile diabetes to help develop good nutrition and exercise habits and provides financial assistance to those caring for children with type 1 diabetes.
No. 8: Blanket Coverage – Richard Sherman Family Foundation
Who: Richard Sherman (Cornerback)
What: Provides students in low-income communities with school supplies and adequate clothing.
No. 9: Earl Thomas III Guardian Angel Foundation
Who: Earl Thomas III (Safety)
What: Provides free summer football camp for children in his hometown, as well as food and clothing drives.
No. 10: Derrick Coleman Jr. NO EXCUSE Foundation
Who: Derrick Coleman Jr. (Fullback)
What: Helps those with hearing loss to believe there is 'No Excuse' not to achieve dreams. Also works to stop bullying of hearing impaired and others with disabilities.
No. 11: OCEAN Health
Who: Michael Bennett (Defensive End)
What: Fights obesity through community development and education.
No. 12: Ben's Fund
Who: John Schneider (General Manager)
What: Provides grants to families in Washington state who care for people who fall on the autism spectrum.
https://12thmanrising.com/2017/02/17...during-season/
I realize you do not like the Seahawks but the things they currently do for children in the area and all across the US is outstanding and they are always doing something with masses of children .
12-12-2018, 09:05 PM
Location: WA Desert, Seattle native
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Yes. This is what I said at the beginning of this thread.
12-12-2018, 09:37 PM
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I actually admit that there is something to this in terms of logic--it's called the 'false dilemma' fallacy.
The theory includes the idea that teams make cities grow economically and otherwise, which adds to the tax base. It's obviously more complex than that, and it's impossible to really compare a do/don't scenario, but in the long term it might be closer to the truth than what you posted.
12-14-2018, 01:33 PM
Location: Seattle
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Sports are woven into the fabric of many of our lives. All you need to do is look at the Colosseum in Rome which was built starting in 70 AD to understand people crave sports and competition. It's a natural outlet for those of us that bust our butts at work. Sure the money could be better spent for __________ fill in the blank (countless causes). But sports will always be high priority in a major city and I don't see much room for compromise.
12-14-2018, 03:58 PM
Location: King County, WA
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Mmm, I give to charity every month via my paycheck, so my conscience is clear. I don't see a need to hold sports stadiums as hostage to fixing some social issue. There will always be social problems that need fixing, regardless of how much money you pour into it.
12-14-2018, 04:29 PM
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Yes. This is what I said at the beginning of this thread.
This would only be a good argument if numbers were supplied, and the totals added up to more than the $1 billion cost of building the stadiums (along with other subsidies provided, such as Sound Transit subsidization of transporting clientele (fans) back and forth from the games.
I asked for numbers, since you said that the amounts "would surprise most," (implying that you have the numbers), but you never responded.
Remember a billion is a lot of money. It's $1 million, 1 million times over. Are you prepared to claim that the Seahawks have donated that much?
Also of course, the rub for any charity operation is how much of the money actually gets to the end recipient. If it's a very low percentage, it's just a marketing operation masquerading as charity. None of the long list supplied by the above poster provides any of that info, hence the argument fails.
12-14-2018, 04:34 PM
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The theory includes the idea that teams make cities grow economically and otherwise, which adds to the tax base. It's obviously more complex than that, and it's impossible to really compare a do/don't scenario, but in the long term it might be closer to the truth than what you posted.
We covered this earlier in the thread; see post #7
http://www.city-data.com/forum/53821600-post7.html
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In their book, Sports, Jobs, and Taxes, Roger Noll and Andrew Zimbalist present a comprehensive review of stadium investments. In all cases, they find a new sports facility to have extremely small (or negative) effects on overall economic activity and employment. Furthermore, they were unable to find any facilities that had a reasonable return on investment.
The economic growth claims have been debunked over and over.
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People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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