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To which I would counter that the climate data clearly shows a significant positive correlation between global warming and man-made carbon emissions. The current upward trend began at the same time as the Industrial Revolution, and it has increased dramatically since the end of WWII. What happened at the end of WWII? Among other things the American economy, led by industrial output, increased by an order of magnitude. The resulting prosperity meant that the majority of American families could afford to own and operate at least one automobile. As time marched on this figure grew to two, then to three, etc.
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But other disagre with all opinons and they are just that opinions often driven by economis and funding. Once those that expound a theory are foud to be cheating and schemeing it no wander they lose creditablity as we have seen for their agument. That si the price of such behviour as seen i the past also.Bascially the humna cause warming folks need to blame their own scientist.
The point for most prepers, is that the possibility of induction related power grid failures are a real possibility.
Having lived thru the So Cal fire storms of 2003 and having had to live for over a week without electrical service. I can tell you that having a portable generator to power the necessities made all the difference.
Every so often, the time we spend thinking thru scenarios like living a week without water or electricity can be a valuable exercise.
Most of us do not realize how dependent we have become on infrastructure, until it fails.
My problem with global warming is calling it man made.
Solar storms are just gonna do what they do. I recall in the mid 80's there were sun spots and some good aurora's. At the time I heard there were a few problems cause to some limited electronics.
Nothing unusual happened to me. I turned 5 in 56. I survived another storm that one called divorce then too. That was hell for everyone involved.
The point for most prepers, is that the possibility of induction related power grid failures are a real possibility.
Having lived thru the So Cal fire storms of 2003 and having had to live for over a week without electrical service. I can tell you that having a portable generator to power the necessities made all the difference.
Every so often, the time we spend thinking thru scenarios like living a week without water or electricity can be a valuable exercise.
Most of us do not realize how dependent we have become on infrastructure, until it fails.
Well the point really is that most preppers should be concerned with a widespread failure in the power grid, regardless of cause.
Power failures are far from uncommon, I can't think of a year that went by where I had municipal power that did not fail at least once. If preppers aren't already aware that the power grid might fail then they're not going to be very successful in most other areas too so fixing this one is likely a fools errand.
TR, I don't know that beyond EMP protective measures there is anything one can do to prepare. I mean a solar flare reaches out and damages our atmosphere in such a way as to create a proton storm and what are you going to do but dive underground and pray? You cannot protect crops and livestock in 8 minutes.
Well, honestly I'm thinking more along the lines of electronics being destroyed by EMP. Given minutes / hours / days warning would allow one to maybe add some additional small devices to a faraday cage, swap out fresh water tanks, what have you. I'd love to have even a short notice period before everything went dead.
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You know the worlds been here for millenia (about 650M years), and other than a very few (5) mass extinctions life goes on as normal. That includes change in solar activity and climate changes. Not that I'm downplaying effects of either, but the likelihood of a celestial ELE (extinction level event) in our lifetimes is perhaps 20 or 30 orders of magnitude lower than something we do that will kill you and/or a large number of people.
Excellent points, Gungnir. And I'd agree with your stance 100% if we lived in any period prior to the last 100 years or so. We're now so dependent on delivery of food & supplies, which themselves are dependent on telecommunications, power grid, internet, and even operational vehicles. . .that next time a big one hits, it will most certainly have a larger impact than previous ones. Read One Second After for a realistic scenario of what our society will become following a grid-destroying catastrophe. And we're talking a few days, from 1st world comforts to kill-your-neighbor-for-a-meal scene. Being prepared is both cheap and prudent, IMO.
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