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Holder promised the dones would not be used to spy on us except under extraordinary circumstances. I noticed that he didn't define 'extraordinary circumstances'.
I don't trust the government at all. Our government seems to feel laws do not apply to it. From my experience, the government is full of self-interested bureaucrates who think the average American is an fool who needs to be properly controlled.
I have a pamphlet from the government that was sent to my father in the 1930s. It states that the social security number would not be used as a personal ID number. Remember Vietnam? We were just going to level the playing field. I have read comments about the use of drones in America - that it will be used to determine the extent of a disaster, to locate lost people, or to pinpoint forest fires. Good reasons to use a drone, but I don't know of any laws that cover the use of these drones domestically.
Yes, I realize that our phones, cars, credit cards, banks, etc already collect and transmit data on us, but if I were to see a drone flying over my property with no prior notice of why it was there, I would be inclined to shoot it.
I would feel better if a judge had to OK their use and that there should be limitations on the use of drones domestically.
Sometimes it seems that we are giving up our personal freedom in increments so small that we don't realize what is going on until it is too late.
Holder promised the dones would not be used to spy on us except under extraordinary circumstances. I noticed that he didn't define 'extraordinary circumstances'.
I don't trust the government at all. Our government seems to feel laws do not apply to it. From my experience, the government is full of self-interested bureaucrates who think the average American is an fool who needs to be properly controlled.
I have a pamphlet from the government that was sent to my father in the 1930s. It states that the social security number would not be used as a personal ID number. Remember Vietnam? We were just going to level the playing field. I have read comments about the use of drones in America - that it will be used to determine the extent of a disaster, to locate lost people, or to pinpoint forest fires. Good reasons to use a drone, but I don't know of any laws that cover the use of these drones domestically.
Yes, I realize that our phones, cars, credit cards, banks, etc already collect and transmit data on us, but if I were to see a drone flying over my property with no prior notice of why it was there, I would be inclined to shoot it.
I would feel better if a judge had to OK their use and that there should be limitations on the use of drones domestically.
Sometimes it seems that we are giving up our personal freedom in increments so small that we don't realize what is going on until it is too late.
BIG thumbs up to you, Sue!
A lot of people still don't even know how to spell drone, let alone understand (nor want to think about) the implications of having those things flying all over our skies. The MSM is just beginning to mention drones, but for some reason, this thing really isn't catching on with the population. Too bad.
I see drones (be it from the evil government or from the evil Gerber baby food corporation) as another step in our species' forging of its own Hell on Earth. We're doing pretty well with that Hell on Earth project these days. What else can we come up with to peeping-tom each other, slaughter one another, and help make life generally unbearable?
I see no difference between a drone, a squad car or a cop on foot.
A cop on foot can easily look over your fence.
The border patrol, police and military have used maned aircraft ever since aircraft was invented.
So what's the big deal? That it is unmanned and economical?
Anyone can fly over your home and take pics.
Your privacy stops when you exit your home.
In other words if I'm legally there, I can take pics of anything I can see, even if it's your in your back yard.
I see no difference between a drone, a squad car or a cop on foot.
A cop on foot can easily look over your fence.
The border patrol, police and military have used maned aircraft ever since aircraft was invented.
So what's the big deal? That it is unmanned and economical?
Anyone can fly over your home and take pics.
Your privacy stops when you exit your home.
In other words if I'm legally there, I can take pics of anything I can see, even if it's your in your back yard.
If this was a thing in a vacuum, we can probably agree. The problem comes when one "body" has access to all the information combined. So. drones, highway and road license plate cameras, financial transaction monitoring, databases, fingerprints, street cameras, communications eavesdropping, government in bed with private corporations that have other information about you - when you put them all together, well, you can see where that's going.
Far cry from 1770s where one town would not know you from another.
I see no difference between a drone, a squad car or a cop on foot.
A cop on foot can easily look over your fence.
The border patrol, police and military have used maned aircraft ever since aircraft was invented.
So what's the big deal? That it is unmanned and economical?
Anyone can fly over your home and take pics.
Your privacy stops when you exit your home.
In other words if I'm legally there, I can take pics of anything I can see, even if it's your in your back yard.
I don’t think that you’re implying that you would, however, with the point you’ve made about taking pics of anything you see even if it’s on private property, I would strongly advise against it. According to The Department of Homeland Security, that’s suspicious behavior. Just take a look at the DHS’s public awareness adverts. I’ve seen them in just about every government building I’ve been in. They’re in the post office, district justice’s office, and almost every federal, state, county, and city building I’ve been in. They’re in all forms of media, and here’s one example of many,
This is fear mongering in order to get the public to embrace their agenda. I like how they’re using people we trust to tell us that it’s for our own good. Talk about domestic terrorism, if their adverts don’t sound suspicious, what does? It may sound over the top, but youtube's full of videos that have everyday Americans being harassed, detained, and or arrested just because they snapping photos or filming video of public buildings, bridges, and other such things. I know it sounds ridiculous, but grab your camera, go to your state's capital, and start filming/photographing public buildings, bridges, dams, and other infrastructure for a few hours. It wouldn't surprise me if some form of law enforcement detains and questions your motives.
The fact that we have so much police presence in this country that they can stop, detain, and sometimes arrest tourists is alarming. The very same agencies that stand to gain are the ones dictating their own budgets. They more they get, the more they want. Whether or not they need it doesn't seem to matter. More cops, more power, more high tech equipment regardless of cost, and the bottom line is they're not held accountable for their unlawful acts or their budget. Nobody voted them into office, and just who polices the police? They do...
I’d say that our privacy in our residents has been drastically compromised. From our phone calls, what we watch on TV, to all sorts of monitoring and information collecting.
I can see where most people might believe privacy stops as soon as we exit our door, but why do we need such security and monitoring? It smacks of police state. Why must we employ the same security measures as the Stasi and KGB of East Germany circa 1950 – 1990? Why does our government fear us so much? If it’s not fear, what’s it for? I find it very hard to believe that it’s truly for our own security. It’s not just about drones being employed against civilians, but rather the fact that this is just one tiny cog in a large machine that’s ramping up and being used against us.
We’ve got to stop and ask ourselves, who’s profiting from the drones. Since they’re rather uneconomical and unnecessary, why are we seeing their use? The very people that stand to profit from them are the same ones that are justifying their use and stating that they’re never going to be used in nocuous ways through a public awareness program of disinformation also known as “propaganda.”
Why do we have a government that takes our tax money, blows it willy nilly on high tech gizmos that don’t serve the greater good, and package it with the “For your own good” clause? In light of excessive and expensive government, failing economy, and problems our country faces that are too numerous to mention, what’s with the military being used against civilians and why are we seeing co-ops between civilian police and the military, and why is our civilian blue police line being turned into a militaristic organization clad in black with gear more appropriate for Beirut, Lebanon circa 1980 than the streets of America?
It all seems rather nefarious to me, and we’re not only footing the bill, but many people embrace it because "It's for their own security." That's a text book example of propaganda being used at its finest.
Last edited by bolillo_loco; 03-11-2013 at 08:12 PM..
Reason: No Rhodes scholar here
I don’t think that you’re implying that you would, however, with the point you’ve made about taking pics of anything you see even if it’s on private property, I would strongly advise against it. According to The Department of Homeland Security, that’s suspicious behavior. Just take a look at the DHS’s public awareness adverts. I’ve seen them in just about every government building I’ve been in. They’re in the post office, district justice’s office, and almost every federal, state, county, and city building I’ve been in. They’re in all forms of media, and here’s one example of many,
This is fear mongering in order to get the public to embrace their agenda. I like how they’re using people we trust to tell us that it’s for our own good. Talk about domestic terrorism, if their adverts don’t sound suspicious, what does? It may sound over the top, but youtube's full of videos that have everyday Americans being harassed, detained, and or arrested just because they snapping photos or filming video of public buildings, bridges, and other such things. I know it sounds ridiculous, but grab your camera, go to your state's capital, and start filming/photographing public buildings, bridges, dams, and other infrastructure for a few hours. It wouldn't surprise me if some form of law enforcement detains and questions your motives.
The fact that we have so much police presence in this country that they can stop, detain, and sometimes arrest tourists is alarming. The very same agencies that stand to gain are the ones dictating their own budgets. They more they get, the more they want. Whether or not they need it doesn't seem to matter. More cops, more power, more high tech equipment regardless of cost, and the bottom line is they're not held accountable for their unlawful acts or their budget. Nobody voted them into office, and just who polices the police? They do...
I’d say that our privacy in our residents has been drastically compromised. From our phone calls, what we watch on TV, to all sorts of monitoring and information collecting.
I can see where most people might believe privacy stops as soon as we exit our door, but why do we need such security and monitoring? It smacks of police state. Why must we employ the same security measures as the Stasi and KGB of East Germany circa 1950 – 1990? Why does our government fear us so much? If it’s not fear, what’s it for? I find it very hard to believe that it’s truly for our own security. It’s not just about drones being employed against civilians, but rather the fact that this is just one tiny cog in a large machine that’s ramping up and being used against us.
We’ve got to stop and ask ourselves, who’s profiting from the drones. Since they’re rather uneconomical and unnecessary, why are we seeing their use? The very people that stand to profit from them are the same ones that are justifying their use and stating that they’re never going to be used in nocuous ways through a public awareness program of disinformation also known as “propaganda.”
Why do we have a government that takes our tax money, blows it willy nilly on high tech gizmos that don’t serve the greater good, and package it with the “For your own good” clause? In light of excessive and expensive government, failing economy, and problems our country faces that are too numerous to mention, what’s with the military being used against civilians and why are we seeing co-ops between civilian police and the military, and why is our civilian blue police line being turned into a militaristic organization clad in black with gear more appropriate for Beirut, Lebanon circa 1980 than the streets of America?
It all seems rather nefarious to me, and we’re not only footing the bill, but many people embrace it because "It's for their own security." That's a text book example of propaganda being used at its finest.
Johann Wolgang Von Goethe once said: "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.".
We used to laugh at Soviet Union and the countries behind the iron curtain. However, there people knew not to trust anyone, they knew they were not free and they knew that whoever they talked to, whatever they did could have or would have been recorded or reported or both. There was no illusions about any of that. In a sense, these people at least knew where they stood.
My $.02
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