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I saw an old thread on BOLS popped up again. Reading my old comments made during the first covid lockdown was interesting.
But now we are (or are we?) faced with new threats. Traditional bug out locations in the west are running out of water, or burning down. Entire towns. Entire forests. Heck they just barely saved So. Lake Tahoe, and that fire is still burning. I live in the desert and even we have been smoked out several times this summer.
Places like the PNW, the Idaho "Redoubt" north of Boisie, the Bitterroot Valley of Montana, the Colorado Rockies, are drying up, heating up (115 deg in CANADA!) and burning up!
Other areas like coastal Maine may (will) be impacted by sea rise. So much for escaping to an atol in the south seas, they are already starting evacuations. Hurricaines are getting worse, flooding in places (PA) that haven't been previously affected.
Many rural areas are being "discovered" by "Zoomers" working at home, bringing Silicone Valley incomes to previously lower cost areas. I read Boisie is the fastest growing/appreciating city in the country. This is impacting the ability of people to afford second homes (BOLs).
People are moving into cheap RV's and vans and living (often illegally) in our forests and BLM lands - often trashing places, leaving sewage, starting forest fires, and causing a wild land crime wave. I reported six stolen cars last winter dumped in my local area. In Moab, UT a grisly double murder of two women camping (van life nomads) just occurred. In SW CO a guy who has had numerous arrests was found to have all sorts of swords and weapons at a campsite near Telluride. It's becoming a "new" Wild West.
In many places "newcomers" are distinctly unwelcome. Just the physical ability to reach some places was in in jeprody last year. What if things do get worse? Will it even BE possible to bug out?
What are your opinions? How do we counter or work around these trends? Where do we go now?
Up here we just push 'em back downstate into "greater Boston". No smoke, no drought, and no steenkin climate change in the north woods. Stay in Boston, boys, ain't nuthin up here but moose, bears, and bigfoot.
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People are moving into cheap RV's and vans and living (often illegally) in our forests and BLM lands - often trashing places, leaving sewage, starting forest fires, and causing a wild land crime wave. I reported six stolen cars last winter dumped in my local area. In Moab, UT a grisly double murder of two women camping (van life nomads) just occurred. In SW CO a guy who has had numerous arrests was found to have all sorts of swords and weapons at a campsite near Telluride. It's becoming a "new" Wild West.
I recently watched that movie "Nomadland" and thought it painted a little too rosy and romanticized of a picture of that lifestyle, living nomadically in vans and campers, often women alone, with little to no mention of the possibility of violence or crime.
That may have been a viable or even attractive option for living and escaping the cities several years ago; probably not so safe anymore. Too many nuts out there, even in the wilderness and back country spaces.
It's unfortunate. but a reality of the times we are in.
I recently watched that movie "Nomadland" and thought it painted a little too rosy and romanticized of a picture of that lifestyle, living nomadically in vans and campers, often women alone, with little to no mention of the possibility of violence or crime.
That may have been a viable or even attractive option for living and escaping the cities several years ago; probably not so safe anymore. Too many nuts out there, even in the wilderness and back country spaces.
It's unfortunate. but a reality of the times we are in.
I don't know....
I used to have a job recently that took me all over the country and in almost every type of place imaginable.
Sure there are dangers, but I also think people can be a bit overly cautious as well.
To me, Nomadland didn't romanticize anything. It simply pointed out that some people prefer to live that way. I can relate to some extent. I'd probably want a cheap piece of land somewhere that doesn't require excessive maintenance while I'm travelling about but still have something to go to when the world gets crazy.
As for the OP's premise, sure many places out west are being overrun with people who have more dollars than sense. Even in those states, cheap land can still be attained for the time being.
I don't see the Ozarks or many part of Appalachia becoming too expensive anytime soon, just a bit more crowded in places.
As for climate change, it's just a moment in time. Droughts end. Floods subside. Our window is too small for wild speculations.
Up here we just push 'em back downstate into "greater Boston". No smoke, no drought, and no steenkin climate change in the north woods. Stay in Boston, boys, ain't nuthin up here but moose, bears, and bigfoot.
You must be joking. They've already taken over Portland. The city has changed overnight into North Boston. I've seen several people already flee Portland to get away from it. And the rich urban yuppies from New York City are buying up houses all up the coast at least to Bar Harbor to live in year-round. This stuff moves farther north every year and there is no end in sight.
I recently watched that movie "Nomadland" and thought it painted a little too rosy and romanticized of a picture of that lifestyle, living nomadically in vans and campers, often women alone, with little to no mention of the possibility of violence or crime.
That may have been a viable or even attractive option for living and escaping the cities several years ago; probably not so safe anymore. Too many nuts out there, even in the wilderness and back country spaces.
It's unfortunate. but a reality of the times we are in.
It was ok only several years ago but not now? Things changed that much in that little time outside the cities? How so?
I only read up to the post above before commenting.
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