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Old 05-21-2021, 12:08 PM
 
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Your fear mongering is impressive. The whiskey burger in Greenville is $10.99. It's $12.79 in Tacoma, WA. A whole $1.80 difference.
But don't those employees also want healthcare and 401k and all the benefits of a white collar worker?

$20 isn't that far fetched now, is it?
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Old 05-21-2021, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Greer
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But don't those employees also want healthcare and 401k and all the benefits of a white collar worker?

$20 isn't that far fetched now, is it?

We don't all have to guess what we think would happen with vastly higher restaurant pay. It's been done. We can see how it works in the real world.


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McDonald’s employees in Denmark already make about $22 an hour.
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According to the Big Mac Index, “a Big Mac costs DKr30.00 in Denmark and US$5.66 in the United States.” When adjusted for GDP, the Economist found that “a Big Mac costs 13% less in Denmark (US$4.90) than in the United States (US$5.66) at market exchange rates.”
In New York City, fast food workers already have a minimum wage of $15/hr. According to this, a Big Mac in NYC is $4.95. So, we're not seeing enormous increases in the price of food.

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Old 05-21-2021, 12:54 PM
 
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We don't all have to guess what we think would happen with vastly higher restaurant pay. It's been done. We can see how it works in the real world.


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In New York City, fast food workers already have a minimum wage of $15/hr. According to this, a Big Mac in NYC is $4.95. So, we're not seeing enormous increases in the price of food.
Nothing you've posted addresses employer paid perks like 401k, healthcare, etc.
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Old 05-21-2021, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Greer
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Nothing you've posted addresses employer paid perks like 401k, healthcare, etc.
The conversation we're having is regarding minimum wage, and the special tipped minimum wage for some restaurant workers. I believe you are the only one who's bringing up fringe benefits. But requiring mandatory benefits is the same basic principle as minimum wages.
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Old 05-21-2021, 01:15 PM
 
Location: South of Cakalaki
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We don't all have to guess what we think would happen with vastly higher restaurant pay. It's been done. We can see how it works in the real world.


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In New York City, fast food workers already have a minimum wage of $15/hr. According to this, a Big Mac in NYC is $4.95. So, we're not seeing enormous increases in the price of food.
The Big Mac index was designed to show discrepancies between values of currencies. Taking that information and attempting to make some correlation with GDP is a fool’s errand.
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Old 05-21-2021, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Greer
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The Big Mac index was designed to show discrepancies between values of currencies. Taking that information and attempting to make some correlation with GDP is a fool’s errand.
Which is why I threw in the NYC comparison for good measure.
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Old 05-21-2021, 02:19 PM
 
Location: TPA
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But don't those employees also want healthcare and 401k and all the benefits of a white collar worker?

$20 isn't that far fetched now, is it?
Yes, it is far fetched. For starters, not sure why you care so much. As long you are getting paid fairly, why do you care. I am not getting paid minimum wage, so I really don't care if someone at McDonalds is making $9 or $12, though obviously the $12 will help them survive better.

Secondly, you're generalizing.

Thirdly, as a white collar worker, being a white collar worker does not mean you are more deservant than a blue collar one, or even a better worker. You have people at Popeyes working around the clock in **** conditions with no benefits frying chicken while customers yell at them because the fries are cold, while the white collar worker with benefits sits in their living room and scrolls instagram or watches Netflix during the zoom call.

Fourthly, you are in South Carolina yeah? A burger at Applebees in South Carolina will never cost $20 - until inflation says so, so you're still fear mongering for nothing. San Francisco maybe, but San Francisco also has much higher salaries, and much higher operating costs - regardless of minimum wage. Even if Applebees in San Francisco and Columbia both paid employees the same $11, the SF location will still be more expensive to operate -and the people in SF generally make more money, so of course they're going to have more expensive food...

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The minimum wage in Seattle is $3 higher. Which indicates a threshold for arbitrary government intervention in salaries has its limits.
Yes I'm sure that's the big reason there is no Applebees in Seattle city limits. It's a miracle Seattle has any restaurants at all.
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Old 05-21-2021, 02:28 PM
 
Location: South of Cakalaki
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Which is why I threw in the NYC comparison for good measure.
I just don’t think it fits. I think within the US it’s comparable. However, even then I think you need to look at median income to see how restaurant prices affect the general population.

It’s important to note in some cases, like Seattle, high minimum wages have had an adverse effect on small business.
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Old 05-22-2021, 05:46 AM
 
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
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DEW says hospitality is still lagging in the recovery. It’s only about 68% back. Yet metro Charleston gained the most jobs in the state year over year, says April’s data.
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Old 05-23-2021, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Lexington, SC
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Agreed. Tipping is antiquated and needs to go the way of the do do, pronto.
Have you asked a tipped server what their opinion of this is? My first person experience says that the overwhelming majority of servers like the system we have. From Waffle House to Hall's Chophouse servers know that they can get paid based on the level of service they provide. The more presentable, knowledgeable and hospitable they are the greater the rewards. That said, service jobs are not for everyone.

When my daughter worked as a server in the Vista she would make $50-$60 an hour on weekends and about half that during the week and double that during the holidays and on home football weekends. And all of it in cash.

She commented that the only reason the government makes restaurants pay tipped employees at all is to keep the restaurants from charging the servers to work there.
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