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Also, for their last season the NBA D-League drew 1,125,583 fans playing in places like Bismark, Bakersfield, Canton, Erie, Fort Wayne, Springfield, Boise, Reno, etc
Don't get it twisted as you remember I said that " franchises in NYC,LA,Chi-Town (Makes A League A Major Sports League) what's your reply to that...waiting.
So yes .... the 1,000,000 attendance mark isn't some magical figure that precludes you from being minor league
It is when you have teams in Major Metro Area's....
Especially when you factor in things like free/discounted tickets, lack of competition in the home market, ticket prices, etc
What lack of competition in home markets NYC,LA,Chi-Town...
The WNBA isn't even major league by womens basketball standards ..... which is why most of the players go overseas to play where they earn the bulk of their money
WNBA is the number one professional women basketball league period.
In 2010 the most a veteran player in the WNBA could make was $101,000. The rookie minimum was $35,910.
Yeah and a lot of men on the PGA tour make less than that...
The AFL is even worse .... they provide housing & meals to players, but the pay is less than $1,000 per game
They have a long way to go as Major League Sports don't they????
Here are some attendance figures for minor league baseball:
The AAA level 14 team International League drew 6,942,737 last year.
The AAA level 16 team Pacific Coast League drew 7,032,525 last year.
The short season A ball league that I used to watch as a kid in upstate NY - the NY Penn League drew 1,825,442 over their 14 teams last year
NYPL teams play in stadiums that look like this:
the Phoenix Mercury have won championships here and no one cares - it's not even a blip on the radar out here ... same with the Rattlers .... they gave away pretty much the entire upper level of the Arena Bowl this year and still didn't fill the building
The WNBA has 12 teams with 17 home games a piece (34 total) .... even if the league pulled 2M that would still be under 10,000 a game ...... that is minor league
The TV ratings aren't much better .... less than 500,000 viewers to watch the finals? Playoff games pulling a .4 share. Regular season games much lower than that.
There are 18 AFL teams playing 18 regular season games (9 home games per team) .... that meaningless 1,000,000 attendance figure you threw out there would equate to 6,173 fans per game
Professional Bull Riding pulls in over 1.5M live spectators and a TV audience over 400M in their seasons
the WNBA & AFL are not major sports leagues ... the only reason why the WNBA exists is because it's a marketing tool for the NBA and the NBA has lost money on it since it came around .... despite the NBA clout they had to pay to have their games on TV for the first decade they existed ... yeah, that's major
This year the World Series of Poker on ESPN2 drew an average of 415,000 viewers over 10 telecasts, the prime time telecasts on ESPN drew an average of 615,000 viewers
The WNBA has never drawn as many viewers as 615,000 for one of their championship games .... they are getting beat by poker ..... again, not major league
I started not to beat a dead horse to death , but here's goes ( you are missing ) my point Major League Sports Leagues have teams in NYC,LA,Chi-Town and other Major League Cities.
also - did you really say that a lo of men on the PGA tour make less than $101,000 maximum that the WNBA players get ... let alone the
$36k minimum?!
are you crazy?!
currently 214 of the 262 players on the PGA tour have made more than $101k, YTD
PGATOUR.com - Live Projected Money List (http://www.pgatour.com/r/stats/current/money_projections-1.html - broken link)
right now to be in the top 125 you need over $567k
I just did a quick count - there are 132 players in the WNBA - the best paid is making around $101k .... 132 on the PGA money list YTD is $499,118
The PGA event here in Phoenix routinely draws at least 400,000 spectators to it over the 4 days of tournament play ... more often it's closer to 500,000 (and that is with a big drop on Sunday due to it going against the super bowl in most years)
So basically one golf tournament here in phoenix will draw in as many fans as about half of the AFLs yearly combined attendance
The US Open which is going on right now draws over 700,000 for it's event
You state that it's impressive to hit the 1,000,000 target because they play in places where there is a lot of people?! - that is a complete logic fail
the NY Penn League out draws the AFL and is on par with the WNBA - it's very minor league baseball (short season a ball - rookie league is about the only thing lower on the scale)
So a league that draws less than minor league baseball, draws less or on par with professional bull riding, gets less TV viewership than poker and pays their employees on par with a walgreen cashier (AFL) or on par with standard middle class working person (WNBA) is some how amongst the major sports leagues?!
if you think that qualifies there really isn't much more to say
The City Of Green Bay owns the Packers. The Packers are the only pro team to win 3 NFL titles in a row, only team to win 5 out of 7, and won more NFL championships than any other team.
That's why they are there .
The city of Green Bay does not own the Packers. The shareholders own the Packers.
also - did you really say that a lo of men on the PGA tour make less than $101,000 maximum that the WNBA players get ... let alone the
$36k minimum?!
are you crazy?!
Is crazy good or bad????
currently 214 of the 262 players on the PGA tour have made more than $101k, YTD
PGATOUR.com - Live Projected Money List (http://www.pgatour.com/r/stats/current/money_projections-1.html - broken link)
right now to be in the top 125 you need over $567k
I just did a quick count - there are 132 players in the WNBA - the best paid is making around $101k .... 132 on the PGA money list YTD is $499,118
The PGA event here in Phoenix routinely draws at least 400,000 spectators to it over the 4 days of tournament play ... more often it's closer to 500,000 (and that is with a big drop on Sunday due to it going against the super bowl in most years)
That's over 500,000 fans for the Phoenix Event....
So basically one golf tournament here in phoenix will draw in as many fans as about half of the AFLs yearly combined attendance
Doesn't have anything to do with Major Markets making up Major League sports Leagues.
The US Open which is going on right now draws over 700,000 for it's event
Great , but attendance is way down withpout Tiger...
You state that it's impressive to hit the 1,000,000 target because they play in places where there is a lot of people?! - that is a complete logic fail
No
the NY Penn League out draws the AFL and is on par with the WNBA - it's very minor league baseball (short season a ball - rookie league is about the only thing lower on the scale)
What cities do they play in , and while you at it " what Venuses do they play in " that's important to....
So a league that draws less than minor league baseball, draws less or on par with professional bull riding, gets less TV viewership than poker and pays their employees on par with a walgreen cashier (AFL) or on par with standard middle class working person (WNBA) is some how amongst the major sports leagues?!
if you think that qualifies there really isn't much more to say
Where is that dead horse???? I'm going to beat it.. MINOR LEAGUE SPORTS ARE PLAYED IN MINOR LEAGUE TOWNS AND ARENAS AND STADIUMS<<<<Major Leagues SPORTS are played in MAJOR LEAGUES ARENAS and STADIUMS...take Tulsa OK for an example WNBA is played in the BOK Center which is in the TOP 10 ARENAS in America and I believe 23 in the World ( while the Tulsa 66'ers MINOR LEAGUE MEN BASKETBALL (NBDL)Play at the Tulsa Convention Center Typical minor league location. The TULSA TALONS also play at the BOK Center ONE OF THE WORLD TOP ARENAS WORLD CLASS get my drift??????
Your drift is as wrong as saying that PGA tour members don't vastly out draw WNBA players in revenue
You have minor league teams that play in major venues in major cities all the time
Indoor Lacrosse is a good example
Again, you can create whatever criteria you want to fit your point of view - just understand that you'll be on your own island and people are going to look at you like you're nuts if you start proclaiming some 3rd rate league as being "major" because they play in a nice stadium in Tulsa
The city of Green Bay does not own the Packers. The shareholders own the Packers.
From what I remembered reading about the Packers, the city of Green Bay IS at least a shareholder of the team so in effect they (the public) do in some form or fashion OWN the Packers!
So the BOK Center is not a Major League Arena ( and or ) it's not World Class??????
Your drift is as wrong as saying that PGA tour members don't vastly out draw WNBA players in revenue
Official PGA TOUR Players Directory and Information at PGATOUR.com (http://www.pgatour.com/r/players/ - broken link)
No what i meant is that some PGA golfers have income in that pay range....
You have minor league teams that play in major venues in major cities all the time
Name a few for me????? , and do they play in Major League Venues????
Indoor Lacrosse is a good example
Is there a team in NYC,LA or Chi-Town?????
Again, you can create whatever criteria you want to fit your point of view - just understand that you'll be on your own island and people are going to look at you like you're nuts if you start proclaiming some 3rd rate league as being "major" because they play in a nice stadium in Tulsa
Is Madison Square Garden just a nice ARENA , no it's World Class just like the BOK Arena is in the city of Tulsa , it's highly ranked on a National Scale and also a International Scale.....
The city of Green Bay does not own the Packers. The shareholders own the Packers.
that's true and in the beginning all shareholder came from Green Bay because no one knew about them until they became the Greatest NFL Football Franchise in history.My In-Laws live in Milwaukee and when I visit I always try and put in a visit to Green Bay.
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