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Old 09-30-2019, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Macon, Georgia
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/s...alifornia.html
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Old 10-01-2019, 05:41 PM
 
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this opens up a huge can of worms now. college athletes should be getting an education, not getting paid to play. if the NCAA decides to stand on the tough line, then when the law takes effect, all the california schools will lose eligibility unless the athletes choose not to accept pay for play. the pac12 will become the pac8 again.


and if the NCAA relents and changes the rules to allow for professional athletes at the college level, then those colleges with the biggest bank accounts will end up buying national championships.



imo its a bad law, and needs to be shut down.
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Old 10-02-2019, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Sioux Falls, SD area
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this opens up a huge can of worms now. college athletes should be getting an education, not getting paid to play. if the NCAA decides to stand on the tough line, then when the law takes effect, all the california schools will lose eligibility unless the athletes choose not to accept pay for play. the pac12 will become the pac8 again.


and if the NCAA relents and changes the rules to allow for professional athletes at the college level, then those colleges with the biggest bank accounts will end up buying national championships.



imo its a bad law, and needs to be shut down.
California is so arrogant, they think the rest of the country is going to follow them. When has this state done anything, but overspend on everything and bankrupt their citizens. Their actions are going to backfire. As you stated, all the NCAA has to do is make ineligible any program making payments to the athletes.

Their actions DOES bring to light the problem that many student-athletes as well as regular students exist in near poverty on campus while the university, and especially the high profile coaches, are swimming in money. Some of these product endorsement contract monies should be going towards campus wide scholarships and perhaps a small and capped NCAA approved and evenly balanced weekly payment to all the students to cover daily living expenses. Granted this is going down a prickly path and it is a little California-ish, but it isn't just athletes living day to day. The coaches should not be getting rich on these endorsements.

When it comes to the big money gleaned from TV contracts, bowl games, etc. keep it as it is. The money generating sports like football and basketball help finance all the other sanctioned sports that always run in the red. This money can be utilized for improved facilities as well.

Just brainstorming here. I know this runs a lot deeper.
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Old 10-02-2019, 11:12 AM
 
Location: West Los Angeles
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college athletes should be getting an education, not getting paid to play.
As I understand, it's not that they would be 'paid to play' by the universities, but rather the true superstar players would be able to cash in on endorsements (ie, the ones who are worthy of endorsements)...and they'd be able to hire an agent to help facilitate this.


I like it, it rewards the best of the best. If some local car dealership thinks they can sell more cars if the local star qb is featured in their commercial (and they're willing to pay for it through their marketing budget), then so be it. The 2nd string punter on the football team and the back-up catcher on the baseball/softball team won't be getting anything additional out of this law, nor should they.


Then again, I haven't fully read the whole law, but that's how I understand it.
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Old 10-02-2019, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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California is so arrogant, they think the rest of the country is going to follow them. When has this state done anything, but overspend on everything and bankrupt their citizens. Their actions are going to backfire. As you stated, all the NCAA has to do is make ineligible any program making payments to the athletes.

Their actions DOES bring to light the problem that many student-athletes as well as regular students exist in near poverty on campus while the university, and especially the high profile coaches, are swimming in money. Some of these product endorsement contract monies should be going towards campus wide scholarships and perhaps a small and capped NCAA approved and evenly balanced weekly payment to all the students to cover daily living expenses. Granted this is going down a prickly path and it is a little California-ish, but it isn't just athletes living day to day. The coaches should not be getting rich on these endorsements.

When it comes to the big money gleaned from TV contracts, bowl games, etc. keep it as it is. The money generating sports like football and basketball help finance all the other sanctioned sports that always run in the red. This money can be utilized for improved facilities as well.

Just brainstorming here. I know this runs a lot deeper.

lol...

State lawmaker plans bill allowing college athletes to seek endorsements - StarTribune.com

Pennsylvania, Minnesota plan to introduce legislation allowing college athletes to profit off of name, image, and likeness
https://saturdaytradition.com/big-te...-and-likeness/

^ After California’s proposed bill went public, a number of other states began drafting similar legislation to present. South Carolina and New York were some of the earliest followers with Florida and Nevada joining that list Monday.

On Tuesday, it appears that work is being done in Minnesota and Pennsylvania to introduce similar bills. That makes the states the first two in B1G territory to publicly address the decision in California.
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Old 10-02-2019, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Sioux Falls, SD area
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lol...

State lawmaker plans bill allowing college athletes to seek endorsements - StarTribune.com

Pennsylvania, Minnesota plan to introduce legislation allowing college athletes to profit off of name, image, and likeness
https://saturdaytradition.com/big-te...-and-likeness/

^ After California’s proposed bill went public, a number of other states began drafting similar legislation to present. South Carolina and New York were some of the earliest followers with Florida and Nevada joining that list Monday.

On Tuesday, it appears that work is being done in Minnesota and Pennsylvania to introduce similar bills. That makes the states the first two in B1G territory to publicly address the decision in California.
Where's the "shock" that Minnesota's lawmakers would try to follow suit? There will be the usual suspects like Oregon, Washington, Illinois (after all they're flush with cash) and a few other states as you pointed out that will be falling all over themselves to get on the train. The train most likely derails right after that.

This IS something that needs some addressing, but states trying to legislate this isn't the way to do it. We're in every sense of the word making these guys pro athletes. If this is the direction it's going, how about these student athletes getting the choice, get paid money OR get a full scholarship for your academics. If they take the money they pay full bore for their education. No discounts on anything. They flunk out they lose their pay and they're still stuck with their college debt.

This whole thing won't end pretty.
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Old 10-03-2019, 04:11 AM
 
Location: Phila & NYC
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As I understand, it's not that they would be 'paid to play' by the universities, but rather the true superstar players would be able to cash in on endorsements (ie, the ones who are worthy of endorsements)...and they'd be able to hire an agent to help facilitate this.


I like it, it rewards the best of the best. If some local car dealership thinks they can sell more cars if the local star qb is featured in their commercial (and they're willing to pay for it through their marketing budget), then so be it. The 2nd string punter on the football team and the back-up catcher on the baseball/softball team won't be getting anything additional out of this law, nor should they.


Then again, I haven't fully read the whole law, but that's how I understand it.

That is correct. The heading "Athletes To Be Paid" is misleading.
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Old 10-03-2019, 05:04 AM
 
Location: Eastern Tennessee
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This opens the door for big money fans (boosters) like Phil Knight at Oregon to legally pay top prospects to come and play at their chosen school. (I believe there has always been under the counter activity doing the same).

Top players' agents will call around to the boosters to get the best deal for their student athlete clients.

There is potential to significantly change the top 10 in NCAA football if teams like Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State etc cannot outbid Oregon, Notre Dame, USC, Stanford (or even SMU).

Fortuitous that this is occurring in conjunction with the 'transfer portal' opportunity for student athletes to easily move from team A to team B.

Maybe the new Championship trophy will have the inscription: "Best team money can buy".


NCAA is in a real pickle here. Eventually student athletes are going to (appropriately, I believe) be paid for playing.
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Old 10-03-2019, 07:54 AM
 
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Maybe the new Championship trophy will have the inscription: "Best team money can buy".
So like the NFL then?



Is college football supposed to be some kind of pure "for the love of the sport" activity? That went out of the window as soon as academics started taking second place to sporting prowess when accepting students.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:07 AM
 
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As I understand, it's not that they would be 'paid to play' by the universities, but rather the true superstar players would be able to cash in on endorsements (ie, the ones who are worthy of endorsements)...and they'd be able to hire an agent to help facilitate this.

It might even benefit colleges since the pressure on superstars to turn pro after a year or two, or skip college altogether, is significantly eased.
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