If this is accurate. St. Louis City only has 311k residents (St. Charles: property taxes, live in)

[MUTGR]

now:

Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore Lead Nation in Population Loss; Maricopa County Has Biggest Gain


https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres...7/cb17-44.html

And St. Louis County drops below 1 million for the first time ever.

Let the spinning begin.

[PerseusVeil]

St. Louis County officially dropped below one million people in the 2010 Census. The yearly estimates since then had pushed the county back above one million, but it would appear the county's growth has gone negative again.

Granted this is all assuming the estimates are accurate. Chicago was told for years between 2000 and 2010 that it was growing, only to be slapped with a decrease of 200,000 in the official 2010 Census.

[MOforthewin]

Originally Posted by PerseusVeil

St. Louis County officially dropped below one million people in the 2010 Census. The yearly estimates since then had pushed the county back above one million, but it would appear the county's growth has gone negative again.

Granted this is all assuming the estimates are accurate. Chicago was told for years between 2000 and 2010 that it was growing, only to be slapped with a decrease of 200,000 in the official 2010 Census.

I think it's leveled out, stl county. The growth is in nearby Jefferson, St. Charles, and Franklin counties as their populations continue to increase as people move further out.

[FrankMiller]

Sprawl has been happening for decades, the fact that the center of gravity has passed an arbitrary political boundary is about as meaningful as a birthday.

[1grin_g0]

I didn't see the STL County statistics in the links provided, but I do see that STL City is still hemorrhaging. I guess the bright side is that there will be less traffic next time I'm in town. But maybe not if St. Charles makes up for it.

Not surprised to see Cook County shrinking because of the insane taxes in IL. Also not surprised that Austin, DFW, and San Antonio continue to explode, even in the face of a slumping energy sector.

[RisingAurvandil]

Population loss in StL City is being fueled by the black exodus from North City. Same story on Chicago's South Side.

As for the rest of the StL region, our lackluster growth is probably the result of poor infrastructure, too much government, and a perception issue.

Census estimates were wrong for the StL area from 2000 - 2010. I have my doubts about these estimates. However, I haven't seen much growth here in my lifetime. I've only seen a shift in population away from the core. St. Charles County was essentially rural until the 80s. It may be pushing 500k residents sooner than we anticipate.

[MOforthewin]

Originally Posted by RisingAurvandil

Population loss in StL City is being fueled by the black exodus from North City. Same story on Chicago's South Side.

As for the rest of the StL region, our lackluster growth is probably the result of poor infrastructure, too much government, and a perception issue.

Census estimates were wrong for the StL area from 2000 - 2010. I have my doubts about these estimates. However, I haven't seen much growth here in my lifetime. I've only seen a shift in population away from the core. St. Charles County was essentially rural until the 80s. It may be pushing 500k residents sooner than we anticipate.

St. Charles county is getting crowded in areas. Traffic can get VERY heavy there. I live in Southwest FL and I miss the infrastructure of St. Louis metro. The roads are designed better up there, more lanes on the highways and everything is in short driving distance. Down here during the winter season the roads cant handle the influx of visitors and long wait times in hospitals, lines at grocery stores and such.

[PerseusVeil]

Originally Posted by 1grin_g0

I didn't see the STL County statistics in the links provided, but I do see that STL City is still hemorrhaging. I guess the bright side is that there will be less traffic next time I'm in town. But maybe not if St. Charles makes up for it.

Not surprised to see Cook County shrinking because of the insane taxes in IL. Also not surprised that Austin, DFW, and San Antonio continue to explode, even in the face of a slumping energy sector.

If people were going to flee due to taxes, then Cook's collar counties should have an even larger exodus than Cook. Property taxes are actually higher outside of the city of Chicago than within it.

[FrankMiller]

Originally Posted by 1grin_g0

I didn't see the STL County statistics in the links provided, but I do see that STL City is still hemorrhaging. I guess the bright side is that there will be less traffic next time I'm in town. But maybe not if St. Charles makes up for it.

More sprawl means more traffic, as everyone drives more to get anywhere.

[1grin_g0]

Originally Posted by FrankMiller

More sprawl means more traffic, as everyone drives more to get anywhere.

Yeah, that's why I said St Charles may make up for it. The state better pony up some cash and get more highways and bridges built out that way.