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Actually, salaries aren't double. Moderator cut: link removed, competitor site
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Again, remember the college presence here that effects economic information to some degree and in comparison.
You're right, just different statistics. Wiki was going by 2000 for Onondaga, and 2010 for Hillsborough. Hillsborough County median household income is $79k as of 2010:
Still, its a $29k difference. Accepting the fact that there are more college students (according to you) in Onondaga County, $29k is still a lot. I don't want to argue with you, because I like central NY and I feel like this is turning into a thread putting down the area. I just wanted to let the OP know that NH is pretty comparable to central NY when everything is factored in. I'm heavily researching both areas as potential relocation spots, as I think both have a lot to offer. This is how I see it:
State Income tax: 8.5% NY, 0.0% NH
Sales Tax: 8.5% NY, 0.0% NH
Gas Tax: 49 cents NY, 19 cents NH
Median Home Price: $124k NY, $267k NH
Median HH Income: $50k NY, $79k NH
Property taxes: assume equal, both high
Unemployment: 8.6% NY, 4.9% NH
Sf homes are a little harder to come by (but they exist), but really nice townhomes are plentiful for under $150k:
Ignoring other factors such as proximity to the ocean, proximity to a major city, gun laws, less snow, more sunny days, etc; you can see how they stack up together and its not an unfair comparison to say that NH stacks up well against CNY. As someone looking to relocate, it all has to be factored.
I can transfer to NH or Vermont with ease so I looked into it quite abit a few years ago.
Gun rights are huge to me and NY has none while Vermont is #1.
Income would have been the same but like you say lower taxes were free money from heaven.
But I found housing to be really high. High enough that it scared me back to NY. I had not thought to look again with todays lower prices.
I think VT is an incredibly beautiful, but incredibly difficult place to live. Gun rights are a factor to me, not because I think people should own AK-47's, but because it tends to be indicative of the level of freedom that citizens of that state have. Red light cameras, seat belt laws, helmet laws, etc all fall along these lines in your freedom as a citizen. NY is a nanny state- no getting around it. I signed up for Governor Cuomo's email updates, and it angers me what nonsense the government gets involved in- passing redundant laws when really the economy is the main issue NY should be focused on.
NH, although an inverted shape of VT, is a very different state, IMO.
Hillsborough County is $69,000 not $79000: Hillsborough County QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau
Given the much higher COL, that isn't much of a difference. Just trying to be accurate and I believe that Sperling's was also around 69k. While the rate is lower due to much higher home prices, the average property tax paid is about 1k more according to that chart by Forbes. Employment will depend on skills, openings, if one is self employed, education and so on. Ultimately, there will be personal factors to consider and CNY may have location advantages as well.
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I think VT is an incredibly beautiful, but incredibly difficult place to live. Gun rights are a factor to me, not because I think people should own AK-47's, but because it tends to be indicative of the level of freedom that citizens of that state have. Red light cameras, seat belt laws, helmet laws, etc all fall along these lines in your freedom as a citizen. NY is a nanny state- no getting around it. I signed up for Governor Cuomo's email updates, and it angers me what nonsense the government gets involved in- passing redundant laws when really the economy is the main issue NY should be focused on.
NH, although an inverted shape of VT, is a very different state, IMO.
I will say that having moved back to NY after living in TN and TX the fact that NY is a nanny state is ten times more noticeable to me. I never really noticed it that much before I left and while I was gone but since I've been back I've been really annoyed with state government here. They seem to be more worried about putting in place stupid little laws such as paying for the bail of criminals then actually fixing the root of the problems. Here was an excellent article in the Syracuse newspaper 2 days ago addressing this exact issue. NY's financial structure on the brink | syracuse.com
Hillsborough County is $69,000 not $79000: Hillsborough County QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau Given the much higher COL, that isn't much of a difference. Just trying to be accurate and I believe that Sperling's was also around 69k. While the rate is lower due to much higher home prices, the average property tax paid is about 1k more according to that chart by Forbes. Employment will depend on skills, openings, if one is self employed, education and so on. Ultimately, there will be personal factors to consider and CNY may have location advantages as well.
I guess Wiki was wrong. I don't know, I think the US Census is an average of wages from 2006 - 2010. Regardless, there are personal factors for sure, but I really don't think the cost of living is that much higher, if at all. Right here and now, in 2012, I think it is leveling out due to factors like taxation and unemployment. Just my opinion.
I think Syracuse will be fine in the long run, especially if the state/area can get its unemployment rate under control and stop worrying about Big Gulps and gun control (based on some nut in Colorado). I still really like the area.
I will say that having moved back to NY after living in TN and TX the fact that NY is a nanny state is ten times more noticeable to me. I never really noticed it that much before I left and while I was gone but since I've been back I've been really annoyed with state government here. They seem to be more worried about putting in place stupid little laws such as paying for the bail of criminals then actually fixing the root of the problems. Here was an excellent article in the Syracuse newspaper 2 days ago addressing this exact issue. NY's financial structure on the brink | syracuse.com
I think it was related to the fact that TX isn't very transparent in it's financial status. Although I thought it was interesting, seeing as how it is the only Republican state listed that does that. Although TX always has thought they are their own country and don't like to be transparent to anyone
I guess Wiki was wrong. I don't know, I think the US Census is an average of wages from 2006 - 2010. Regardless, there are personal factors for sure, but I really don't think the cost of living is that much higher, if at all. Right here and now, in 2012, I think it is leveling out due to factors like taxation and unemployment. Just my opinion.
I think Syracuse will be fine in the long run, especially if the state/area can get its unemployment rate under control and stop worrying about Big Gulps and gun control (based on some nut in Colorado). I still really like the area.
Cost of living can be higher, including taxes. Pay can offset that and most places are roughly the same given overall cost of living and pay. I gave a comparative example between Cicero and Hudson NH.
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