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Old 07-24-2023, 02:56 AM
 
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There are three main ways to approach economic development in my opinion. All work but if each one was used all at the same time, then you'll almost always see fast results and the most successful outcome.

1. The Practical approach to economic development

Teach those in poverty the skills to the jobs that are available in the area

Invest in the neighborhoods where those in poverty live

Expand Job Growth by helping locals build new businesses


2.The Logical approach to economic development

Market the area in a way that it is the logical choice for outside companies, businesses and investments to expand in your area like highlighting the location, ample water and power

Make the area the obvious logical choice by investing in infrastructure and shovel ready sites so that it is very easy for new investments to expand in the area as quickly as possible

3. The Bigger Picture approach to economic development

Inspiration and Love are key factors in which places thrive, grow and are prosperous.

Love Creates, Hate Destroys

If everyone loves your city and it is respected, has a good reputation and is praised the energy of all that love and good energy will create prosperity for that place

If everyone disrespects, makes fun of a place, if it has a bad reputation or many people hates a place, it will create poverty

So the goal is to get everyone to respect, love, or be inspired by your city so that only good energy is directed at it

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Old 07-24-2023, 03:14 AM
 
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How do you get everyone to love and respect your city?

1. By making the City Beautiful by cleanliness and inspirational architecture and beautiful city design and landscaping

2. By the Cityscape inspiring everyone that lives there and visits it so that everyday the residents and visitors are filled with inspiration from the beauty of the built environment
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Old 07-24-2023, 06:22 AM
 
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A lot of the things mentioned is what this group/organization is set up to do: https://www.cnyrpdb.org/default.asp

Some of this may depend on policy choices at different levels of government, but also private entities like faith based institutions or organizations setting up a plan as well. I think of the churches in Buffalo for instance that have set up housing developments and that is something that could be done here through a group of churches like the Interdenominational Ministerial Alliance, as one I'm familiar with, that could have zones for development of housing or to create a financial institution like a credit union. On the policy side, tapping into Main Street funding that the state has. So, there are multiple ways to go about this and to be honest, you should use multiple avenues to do so. I say that because if you contribute into a system, you should get results, but you also have to have a plan or others can come in to executive theirs for you.
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Old 07-27-2023, 11:47 AM
 
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Bozeman, Montana has planned communities that homeowners pay an HOA that includes snow removal. Might a good idea for the Syracuse area to do this type of planned community.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=43L5x-Qt3D4

Bozeman averages over 90 inches of snow every year.
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Old 07-27-2023, 11:53 AM
 
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Bozeman, Montana has planned communities that homeowners pay an HOA that includes snow removal. Might a good idea for the Syracuse area to do this type of planned community.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=43L5x-Qt3D4

Bozeman averages over 90 inches of snow every year.
We already have Radisson in the Baldwinsville area, with a few other communities with HOAs. I don't think people want a bunch of HOAs in the area, on top of the property taxes that people already pay for said services. This again may be a matter of different dynamics that take place between different states, as they may need more HOAs to cover the services necessary for the newer developments which may not be in an incorporated municipality, whereas we have more municipal services that covers those things due to all cities/towns/villages being incorporated.

Here is some Radisson Community information: https://engage.goenumerate.com/s/radissoncommunity/

It was a part of the HUD New Planned Community system and was originally called the Lysander New Community on older maps around the time it was formed in the late 1960's/early 1970's or so. https://esd.ny.gov/radisson-community-project

Word on the street was for the community to be built out to house tens of thousands of people and even has its own school system just like the Gananda Community another HUD New Planned Community in Wayne County east of Rochester. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gananda,_New_York

These communities were created under the National Urban Policy and New Community Development Act of 1970: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...nt_Act_of_1970

http://mars.gmu.edu/bitstream/handle...=1&isAllowed=y (Riverton in the town of Henrietta outside of Rochester is another community a part of this act: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverton,_New_York , https://www.rivertoncommunity.com/ )

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Old 08-01-2023, 05:28 AM
 
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Micron’s unmatched environmental impact at Clay chip fabs doubles in latest estimates

https://www.syracuse.com/business/20...estimates.html

Like I've been saying Build new infrastructure and expand infrastructure to support a metropolitan area of at least 2,000,000 people.

Once the infrastructure is in place it will be easy to attract more industry.

The whole 20 years of no infrastructure expansion by small minded leadership delayed Syracuse's growth potential by at least 10 years. Now it has a chance to make up for lost time and expand water lines, sewer lines, attract new power plants, expand and widen roads, create new exits on highways, buy up new shovel ready sites for potential new companies etc.

Think big or big projects will pass you by.
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Old 08-01-2023, 06:07 AM
 
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Micron’s unmatched environmental impact at Clay chip fabs doubles in latest estimates

https://www.syracuse.com/business/20...estimates.html

Like I've been saying Build new infrastructure and expand infrastructure to support a metropolitan area of at least 2,000,000 people.

Once the infrastructure is in place it will be easy to attract more industry.

The whole 20 years of no infrastructure expansion by small minded leadership delayed Syracuse's growth potential by at least 10 years. Now it has a chance to make up for lost time and expand water lines, sewer lines, attract new power plants, expand and widen roads, create new exits on highways, buy up new shovel ready sites for potential new companies etc.

Think big or big projects will pass you by.
To be honest, the area already has infrastructure to support a higher population than it has now. Plus, the area needs to also look at fill-in development versus sprawling development. To overbuild would actually put a burden on the population, unless you know that people are going to come. Keep in mind that when they mentioned the projected 50,000 jobs, they aren't all going to be in the Syracuse area, as that is including spinoff jobs.
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Old 08-01-2023, 11:34 AM
 
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Everyone has their own ideas and opinions. That is yours.

If you don't believe that Syracuse can attract and retain newcomers then you probably shouldn't be in the business of economic development. Only those with a clear idea of the best possible future of a growing thriving economy for the Syracuse area should be making long term economic development decisions for the area.

Economic development isn't about making the people who live here have opportunity to be wealthy ....rather it is creating the situation where wealthy people want and choose to live here and invest here.

If your goal is to get everyone wealthy who lives here then what prevents those with wealth to leave the area?

Focus on growth, quality of life and creating the type of city and metropolitan area that wealthy people choose to live in and then Syracuse will be a thriving metropolitan area with opportunity for everyone.
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Old 08-01-2023, 11:39 AM
 
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Everyone has their own ideas and opinions. That is yours.

If you don't believe that Syracuse can attract and retain newcomers then you probably shouldn't be in the business of economic development. Only those with a clear idea of the best possible future of a growing thriving economy for the Syracuse area should be making long term economic development decisions for the area.

Economic development isn't about making the people who live here have opportunity to be wealthy ....rather it is creating the situation where wealthy people want and choose to live here and invest here.

If your goal is to get everyone wealthy who lives here then what prevents those with wealth to leave the area?

Focus on growth, quality of life and creating the type of city and metropolitan area that wealthy people choose to live in and then Syracuse will be a thriving metropolitan area with opportunity for everyone.
That's not what I'm saying at all. My point is that you don't have to copy some other area to attract people and that will take place once the climate is set to attract business or to get businesses to grow.

Also, you should make the city livable not only for the "wealthy", but for anyone that wants to live in the area, as you will have people of different economic status and if development can keep a range of people in mind, the better.

BTW- Many of these threads being created have been addressed in other threads in the meantime you weren't on here. So, there are discussions about this that have been ongoing on here pre micron announcement.
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Old 08-01-2023, 01:58 PM
 
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Downtown Camel Indiana, a suburb of Indianapolis, is good inspiration for the future downtown Clay, NY.

https://livinginindianapolis.com/tou...armel-indiana/

There are already many cute downtown villages with small sidewalks, small roads, old fashioned architecture in the area, Clay should do something totally different and Grand for a town center. Camel, Indiana is an example of what I'd like to see here.
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