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But the question is...What has he DONE to merit discharge?
Answer: Nothing. But he is fired anyway.
Fired because he is gay.
Fired because he was a porn strar.
Fired because someone saw his picture on-line.
Any porn star would be fired. Wasn't a teacher fired a few years back for posing in a nudie magazine?
This guy is not stupid. He had to know what would eventually happen.
I am quite open-minded as a rule, but it is hard to defend this one. When underage kids you teach can easily find images of you getting done on their computers, you have to imagine it could be a potential issue.
Let's go back a few decades to say 1980. Teacher contracts had the moral turpitude clause then, too.
Activities which could lead to discharge:
Going to a bar in the town where you were employed.
Living with a member of the opposite sex (Mrs. NBP (who was not then Mrs. NBP) and I maintained separate residences throughout the late 70's early 80's because of that one. She was teaching, I was not).
Becoming pregnant when not married.
Homosexual activity.
Fooling around with a student (that one's system specific, there are still systems out there that promote that issue upward).
Those are just the ones I remember.
I seem to remember a thread awhile ago where a female teacher had posted pictures of her drunk self on Facebook or YouTube and was fired. The general attitude here was that she deserved to be fired since she was a stupid *****. Same with the one that had photos of herself practicing unsafe gun handling techniques.
Jeremiah, My point was not that few live the lifestyle. Its sadly that few TRY to. And I do think many do the 1 hour per week as a form of cleansing what they do the other 167, and most priests do not care, as the amount collected is their primary concern. So despite being raised in the RCC, I could hardly impose any viewpoints upon others that I feel 99.99% of the flock , priests, bishops, etc fail to even ATTEMPT to live up to.
They do talk the talk. They don't walk the walk. While just 1 succeeded in walking the walk, that is no excuse for anyone who supposedly believes to not aspire to. But at this stage, the RCC is simply a business.
I've looked at your other posts, and you definitely have an "agenda" and that definitely colors your attitude, and I took a day to think how I was going to respond to you so my temper would not show.
I do have an agenda. My agenda is to promote the idea that puritanical sexual mores from days gone by are being, and should be, rejected by society.
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The culture war is not really over; your side is just getting more exposure, but most Americans will not accept it (and I am not referring to the gay part of it), for if we did/do, we will follow the path of Rome (and there are already too many parallels).
Yeah, our society is going to fail if we don't follow your sexual mores. Please.
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Yes, most of us are still Puritanical in our s*xual mores, but I do not see the majority changing any time soon.
Given that you can't even bring yourself to use the word sexual, I'm almost certainly wasting my time, but if you haven't seen the changes I'm refering to, you haven't been paying attention.
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I always find it funny too, that people who do seem to have agendas, grudges, or whatever, tend to thrive in the anonymity of the net esp. when you give no personal information about yourself, for where else could you spew all that and not have anyone know who you are??
Who I am is not relevant. The ideas I represent are.
Does no one get this as an issue? I guess pretty much everyone is on board for just firing people for any mistake that they did in the past, no matter what. Wow. No one thinks that is scary?!
No, just you...... And it's very odd..... lol
Like there aren't enough real issues without getting all up in arms about letting gay porn actors guide future generations lol.
Jeremiah, My point was not that few live the lifestyle. Its sadly that few TRY to. And I do think many do the 1 hour per week as a form of cleansing what they do the other 167, and most priests do not care, as the amount collected is their primary concern. So despite being raised in the RCC, I could hardly impose any viewpoints upon others that I feel 99.99% of the flock , priests, bishops, etc fail to even ATTEMPT to live up to.
They do talk the talk. They don't walk the walk. While just 1 succeeded in walking the walk, that is no excuse for anyone who supposedly believes to not aspire to. But at this stage, the RCC is simply a business.
Bob, Your cynicism is quite remarkable, not that the RCC doesn't deserve it. There is a bit of irony here as well, but let's no go there. I would however like to say a couple of things... 1st is a favorite story by CS Lewis where he contrast a church goer to a prostitute: "A self-righteous prig who goes regularly to church may be far nearer to hell than a prostitute. But, of course, it is better to be neither." (Mere Christianity, Chapter 5, para. 14). Not to indulge you in your thesis, point being, you can't judge a book by it's cover. I have a few spiritual heroes if you will, one is a local CPA 71 yrs. old, I've heard him say many times. "If God is a good God, and I believe he is. And God wants us to have freedom of choice, and I believe he does, then why did he make us out of such rotten material?" It's a rhetorical question really. The point is really that we all have so much to overcome, b4 there is any outward evidence. What do you get when you sober up horse thief, a sober horse thief. Now, don't get upset with me on this last point. There is very little that I know about the Bible, and I'm certainly not one to go around preaching from it, no soap box here. But one passage that has always stuck with me is in Romans where Paul talks about man's struggle with sin, Ch 7 vs.15 "For the good that I would do, that I do not. But that which I hate, that I do." vs.24 "Oh wrethed man that I am." The standard is still the standard, the goal is still the goal. The whole point is to fight the good fight. Don't give up!!!
There is a BIIIGGGG difference between some "indiscretions" and being a porn star. The issue is setting an example for the kids. People have access to porn. People don't always have access to past indiscretions that aren't necessarily public.
Just about everything is "public" these days, between Facebook, texting, YouTube, digital cameras, etc. And how many of us would pass the sniff test? Hmmmmm.
I wonder if that's true, though? Maybe, maybe not... but somehow I suspect the anger & fear are MORE with a gay male than a woman. I bet if this woman http://xaxor.com/images/other/111199...n_stars_26.jpg was teaching at a public school, we'd hear fewer people complaining - least of all the fathers.
Actually I recall several examples of women posing nude, doing porn IN THE PAST etc...
Who lost their jobs. (Teaching)
Sorry, WRONG!
It's about 'morals' (Whether you disagree with them or not... that's the PARENTS decision.
If you don't have strong morals and ethics, please stay away from our youth.
Please define that for me.
How about if they drink a bit too much(by whomever's standards)?
A smoker?
Are unfaithful to their spouse?
Watch Porn?
Masturbate?
Gamble?
Eat meat on Friday during Lent?
Labor on the Sabbath(which is Saturday)?
Actually I recall several examples of women posing nude, doing porn IN THE PAST etc...
Who lost their jobs. (Teaching)
Sorry, WRONG!
How can one be "wrong," when they clearly stated they DON'T KNOW what the outcome would be (note my answer was "maybe, maybe not"). I guess you missed my apathy and sarcasm in that post... and you also missed where I said this guy probably shouldn't be teaching.
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It's about 'morals' (Whether you disagree with them or not... that's the PARENTS decision.
At home, yes... in the school, not really. If you object to a certain teacher, assignment or school policy, of course you have the right to file a complaint. But does the school HAVE to comply with your demands? Nope, they don't - sorry.
The problem is that a school has many children, with many parents who will all have their personal definition of "morals." So while you might find something morally objectionable, another parent could very well be okay with it... and that's why schools have administrators, who make the ultimate decisions on what happens there. If someone absolutely must have everything their way, homeschooling is probably a better option for them.
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Yeah, our society is going to fail if we don't follow your sexual mores. Please.
