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View Poll Results: A Great teacher can successfully educate any student regardless of their background and parents inco
Yes, if you are really good 9 20.00%
No, because the student his too far gone by that time 33 73.33%
I just don't know 3 6.67%
Voters: 45. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-01-2014, 08:20 AM
 
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Yes, every child I have taught has learned and progressed at least one grade level in reading, math and science. I have taught hundreds of Houston inner city youth in Pk, K,1, and 2. The problem is that sometimes they are severely behind, are resistant to learning, have learning disabilities, stay a month or two, don't speak English, or have a low I.Q.

So even with a years growth from where they started, many were still behind. Every child can and does learn, but you can't be a miracle worker. The child who only says 3 words in English, will not be reading on grade level at the end of the year. But they can learn simple English and become a beginner reader and make a years growth from where they started.
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Old 03-01-2014, 12:33 PM
 
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A Great teacher can successfully educate any student regardless of their background and parents income/situation?

A great teacher most certainly will give a sincere effort, but unfortunately this is not always enough.
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Old 03-01-2014, 12:59 PM
 
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A Great teacher can successfully educate any student regardless of their cultural background and parents income/situation!
Yes, assuming such a teacher works one-on-one instead in of a classroom setting.
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Old 03-01-2014, 02:38 PM
 
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IF the student is willing...
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Old 03-02-2014, 03:53 AM
 
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IF the student is willing...
The philosophy of the group that thinks the teacher is the main driver in successful education believes that a great teacher can turn around any and all students by their charisma and leadership abilities. If you are really good, you connect with all students and make them want to learn.
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Old 03-02-2014, 08:21 AM
 
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The philosophy of the group that thinks the teacher is the main driver in successful education believes that a great teacher can turn around any and all students by their charisma and leadership abilities. If you are really good, you connect with all students and make them want to learn.
That is just not true or possible....
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Old 03-02-2014, 08:26 AM
 
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The philosophy of the group that thinks the teacher is the main driver in successful education believes that a great teacher can turn around any and all students by their charisma and leadership abilities. If you are really good, you connect with all students and make them want to learn.

Back to my point. What if they don't come to school to experience that great teacher's teaching? Can a great teacher reach them and teach them if they aren't there? That is my reality. For a variety of reasons, students at my school don't show up to expose themselves to the charisma and leadership abilities of the great teachers. How is that the teachers' fault?
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Old 03-02-2014, 08:56 AM
 
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The philosophy of the group that thinks the teacher is the main driver in successful education believes that a great teacher can turn around any and all students by their charisma and leadership abilities. If you are really good, you connect with all students and make them want to learn.
And the philosophy of the group - whatever group to which you are referring - is naive, ill-conceived, and wrong. It is probably based on their own experiences at being a student, but does not reflect the overwhelming numbers of students that feel/felt differently. This philosophy also was probably conceived without a single member of this group actually being a K-12 public educator.

So I'll ignore this philosophy for the reality of the world in which we truly live, and trust in the philosophy of those that actually do the job for a living. You know... the ones that actually deal with these students on a daily basis.

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Old 03-02-2014, 07:51 PM
 
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You can lead a piggy to a pile of rotting garbage....but you cannot make them eat.

Yes, if a student is not motivated to learn SOMETHING, even after numerous attempts to do so, forget it. If that same kid is a disruption, best to give him/her a Dummy-Diploma at around age 15....and get them outta there so other can learn.
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Old 03-02-2014, 07:55 PM
 
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A Great teacher can successfully educate any student regardless of their cultural background and parents income/situation!

That is what my Department Head in the Business Department of the local Community College told us during a new Adjunct Instructor Orientation. She insists that the majority of the fault lies with us, the Instructors, if a student fails or lacks motivation. Translation: Regardless of the students background and limitations, if you are a great teacher, the student will learn up to high standards.

Do you agree, please take my poll and discuss.
It's simply not true, and although many believe it, they have yet to be able to provide any real evidence for it.

It is unfortunate to hear that attitude at the college level, since it's pretty ignorant. While it is true that any good teacher should be able to teach any student who WANTS to learn, regardless of the student's ability or background, it's not true that you can teach one that doesn't want to. Especially at the college level, you have to contend with students simply not coming to class. If they don't show up, you can't motivate them or teach them.
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