CA dragging us down (Houston, Dallas: move, gay friendly, metro)

[texantodd]

Originally Posted by justme02

I agree, but tolerance in Texas is mostly confined to Houston, DFW, Austin, and San Antonio. In California it's much more wide spread. Its not simply accepting other races, but gays, other religions, people with opposing political views, etc. To be frank, I don't find the whole of East Texas (with the possible exception of Tyler) accepting of those at all. While there are parts of DFW that are bible beltish, East Texas is a bible belt kick in the nuts. Drive through Hawkins, Tx along highway 80 just outside of Tyler and you will see a big sign that says "Jesus welcomes you to Hawkins!". In Longview, a bunch of yard signs were errected in the front a newly built mosque. Those yard signs had one word "Jesus" on them. Driving between Tyler and Longview around Gladewater I have seen anti gay and anti Muslim billboards on many occasions.

So no I don't find East Texas even slightly tolerant (again with the possible exception of Tyler). None of those things would happen in the urban areas. I think that comes with diversity.

I would take it a step further really. I find that Dallas and Houston are racially tollerant for the most part, and multicultural. However, in my experience (which includes 25 years in Houston, plus time living in Dallas, Midland, Abilene, San Antonio parts of East Texas and now Austin is home) the only place that is really accepting of things such as opposing political views, other religions, homosexuals, etc is Austin. For instance gays have areas of Houston and Dalls that they have carved out for themselves, but the cities at large are not - in my experience - tollerant of or open to LGBT issues and concerns.

[BigDGeek]

Originally Posted by sxrckr

Perhaps you personally, but what points in his post were untrue?

Texantodd already took his post to pieces. That post was ridiculous victim-mentality BS. I don't know ANY liberal who thinks that way.

[sxrckr]

Originally Posted by texantodd

I will agree that areas around Corpus and Padre are very nice beaches, but don't push Galveston - I lived in Houston for 25+ years. I spent plenty of time in Galveston. Galveston beaches are absolutely disgusting. And anything on the east side does have brown waters. The last time I went in the water a few years back I literally came out with alot of tar on my legs, stuck to my leg hair. I live for the beach, I love the sand and water, and it got to where I wouldn't bother even going to Galveston. Such a horrible place.

I have been to Galveston several times the last few years and had a totally different experience than you and you seem to be exaggerating for some reason.
My only complaint in Galveston was seaweed, but that seems to be the case with most of the Texas beaches.

[texantodd]

I would like to add that I am not bashing Texas in what I just said. I love Texas and am a very proud Texan. However, I love it with open eyes, understanding that nowhere on earth is perfect, and there are issues in our great state. I love the way Justme put it earlier in this thread:

I love Texas, but Im going to love Texas the way an adult loves another adult. That is, Im going to love Texas despite of its flaws. I loved California the same way. I refuse to love Texas (or any place) like a 4 year old love their mommy. That is to say, "mommy is perfect and wonderful and anyone who disagrees with mommy or says something bad about mommy is bad".

[sxrckr]

Originally Posted by BigDGeek

Texantodd already took his post to pieces. That post was ridiculous victim-mentality BS. I don't know ANY liberal who thinks that way.

Not really. The point was it exists, even if you argue it's not the whole party that thinks this way.

[texantodd]

Originally Posted by sxrckr

I have been to Galveston several times the last few years and had a totally different experience than you and you seem to be exaggerating for some reason.
My only complaint in Galveston was seaweed, but that seems to be the case with most of the Texas beaches.

The tar may no longer be there, but it was absolutely my experience the last time I went. But there is no exagerating to say that the waters on the majority of the beaches are brown. It is not from oil, it is sediment pushed out of the Mississippi River east of here in Louisiana. But the beach waters on the majority of the beaches are brown, and that is not even something that can be argued. There is nothing appealing about brown water.

[texantodd]

Originally Posted by sxrckr

Not really. The point was it exists, even if you argue it's not the whole party that thinks this way.

He listed 8 points. Of them the ones that are true of the Democratic party in any numbers at all are healthcare, contraception to be covered, affirmitive action and gun control. Of those four, no gun control laws have been proposed or passed in 4 years of Obama's administration.

If you want to try to claim that the other views are identifiable as Democratic, then I am going to say that Westboro Baptist Church/hated of gays, KKK/hatred of everyone not white and protestant, and hatred of muslims are all Republican positions.

[TexasHorseLady]

Originally Posted by justme02

Sounds like youve been watching too much Fox News. This post smells of victim playing.

I'd go through point by point, but Texantodd already did it nicely.

I'm not Republican because of their desire to remove many of our liberties.

I'm not Democrat because of their desire to remove many of our liberties.

I avoid Fox news like the plague.

That being said, many of the points on that list are not only true, but are being put into law (or attempts are being made to do so for some that have not yet been put into law) by Democrats in various places. Lunatic fringe, yes, but they need support in order to accomplish that. We don't need that in Texas, thank you very much, but I see it being attempted, sometimes successfully, all the time here by people who brought that attitude with them and are trying to infect us with it. As I've said, nowhere near everyone that moves to Texas, but a very loud minority that has nothing better to do with their time than to try to control everybody else's lives.

Both sides are guilty. Pretending that your side is not is either naive in the extreme or hoping that if you say it's not, people will be fooled and believe you.

The comment regarding "victim playing" brings inevitably to mind pot, kettle, black.

[texantodd]

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

I'm not Republican because of their desire to remove many of our liberties.

I'm not Democrat because of their desire to remove many of our liberties.

I avoid Fox news like the plague.

Funny enough, despite my posts so far, I agree with you above.

I am pro-life, pro-gun, pro-death penalty (even think it should be expanded to include some more crimes such as child molestation as one example), and a strong supporter of Israel. None of those would be held by liberals/democrats. However, I am a liberal socialist in favor of gay rights and legalized marijuana.

For years I voted on two issues alone - abortion and Israel. However, I can no longer morally support the corruption, heartlessness and lack of care from the Republicans and I do pretty strongly vote democratic now. But I am far from a Democrat, I self identify as independent and disgusted with the two party system.

[Cathy4017]

Originally Posted by MikeSherman

I'm not Republican (I'm libertarian), but your statement is laughable about how the right wing restricts freedom more than the left wing.

Which party is it that wants to regulate the fatty foods you can or cannot eat?
Which party is it that wants to ban a entire company (chick fil a) from coming to their cities due to the owners personal beliefs?
Which party is it that wants to ignore the second amendment and take guns from the hands of law abiding citizens?
Which party is it that wants the FCC to take radio shows like Rush Limbaugh OFF THE AIR for saying things they don't agree with?
Which party is it that wants to have people thrown in jail for language that is offensive to others?
Which party is it that pushed laws that enable minority races to get college admissions over non minorities that may be more qualified?
Which party pushed a law that FORCES people to pay out of pocket for healthcare or pay a fine?
Which party pushed laws trying to FORCE religious institutions to provide contraception?
The answer to all the above questions is DEMOCRATS!
At all times democrats believe that they know what is best for you and because of that, they have the right to make laws that tell you what you can or can't do.
Thankfully in America there is a significant number of those on the right who often successfully thwart them. History has shown what happens when the left gains absolute power to decide what is or is not best for people (USSR).

You got it. Rep points for you!

They also say that they want an equal and color-blind society, but that's impossible when they always either play the race card or bring race into the equation. All college admissions, job applications, the US Census, etc. should have NO space on the forms for race. If you want true equality, base it all on qualifications, period.