Abortion or Gun Rights? (appointed, crime rates, quality of life)

[John26]

Abortion back on Texas Legislature's agenda - SFGate

I will be extremely disappointed if this legislature wastes all of its time on abortion issues and does not do anything meaningful to extend our gun rights such as concealed carry on campus.

[War Beagle]

Abortion is a morass that social conservatives get stuck in. I personally find the practice abhorrent, but in a sick way, it is beneficial for society. Crime rates have gone down significantly since abortion was made legal, and it's not difficult to understand why. It's probably a safe bet to assume that women who are willing to abort their unborn children probably wouldn't have been winning many "mother of the year" awards.

The other reason abortion doesn't bother me all that much is because is it essentially a system whereby liberals are killing off future liberal voters. I'd wager there is a huge gap between the number of liberal and conservative women who have abortions. If the liberals want to preemptively kill themselves off, I'm not going to try and stop them.

Anyhow, the Texas Leg needs to focus on other issues besides abortion. Guns, revenue or pretty much anything else for that matter. Abortion isn't going anywhere and some of these politicians need to recognize that.

[doctorjef]

Sounds a case of being between the devil and the deep blue sea to me.

I hope the Republicans in the legislature continue to push their luck on abortion. Maybe Texas women will get sufficiently tired of it that they vote those clowns out of office (and Governor Clown along with them).

[John26]

Originally Posted by War Beagle

Abortion is a morass that social conservatives get stuck in. I personally find the practice abhorrent, but in a sick way, it is beneficial for society. Crime rates have gone down significantly since abortion was made legal, and it's not difficult to understand why. It's probably a safe bet to assume that women who are willing to abort their unborn children probably wouldn't have been winning many "mother of the year" awards.

I tend to occur. While I think some abortions could be murder, I also think its a gray area and I'm not really to concerned about it anyways. I'll leave those issues up to God to decide.

The other reason abortion doesn't bother me all that much is because is it essentially a system whereby liberals are killing off future liberal voters. I'd wager there is a huge gap between the number of liberal and conservative women who have abortions. If the liberals want to preemptively kill themselves off, I'm not going to try and stop them.

Yep, the way liberals always want to ban things and claim its for the children, well having less children might be more beneficial for our rights.

Quality of life is more important than quantity of life, better to have more freedom and less people than more people and less freedom.

[annie_himself]

Originally Posted by John26

Abortion back on Texas Legislature's agenda - SFGate

I will be extremely disappointed if this legislature wastes all of its time on abortion issues and does not do anything meaningful to extend our gun rights such as concealed carry on campus.

Meaningful? I'm no gun ban advocate and I love my guns but you have your priorities out of order.

[Texan Guy]

Originally Posted by War Beagle

Abortion is a morass that social conservatives get stuck in. I personally find the practice abhorrent, but in a sick way, it is beneficial for society. Crime rates have gone down significantly since abortion was made legal, and it's not difficult to understand why.

Correlation doesn't equal causation, and the abortion/crime rates is just a theory (if you Google "freakonomics abortion theory", you'll find a few things showing this how this is not the case). This theory was floated in the book Freakonomics, and had the unintended side effect of sounding really racist.

[rwr]

Originally Posted by John26

Abortion back on Texas Legislature's agenda - SFGate

I will be extremely disappointed if this legislature wastes all of its time on abortion issues and does not do anything meaningful to extend our gun rights such as concealed carry on campus.

So you think the murder of thousands of babies in Texas each year is not "meaningful"? I am a gun owner and I carry, but weigh concealed carry on campus with infanticide and it is no contest. The lives of these innocent babies will trump this hand every time for me.

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

Originally Posted by rwr

So you think the murder of thousands of babies in Texas each year is not "meaningful"? I am a gun owner and I carry, but weigh concealed carry on campus with infanticide and it is no contest. The lives of these innocent babies will trump this hand every time for me.

Depends on what you define as a baby. For me, a few cells swimming inside a womans uterus is not a baby and isnt life anymore than an egg is a chicken. I see nothing controversial about abortion in the first trimester. What I dont like is late term abortions.

[hoffdano]

Originally Posted by Texan Guy

Correlation doesn't equal causation, and the abortion/crime rates is just a theory (if you Google "freakonomics abortion theory", you'll find a few things showing this how this is not the case). This theory was floated in the book Freakonomics, and had the unintended side effect of sounding really racist.

The book Freakonimics takes great pains to distinguish between correlation and causation. The authors, who are economists, understand that. In their view, the rise in abortion rates beginning in the 1970s after Roe vs. Wade was one of several direct causes of the drop in crime. It was not racist, though many people read it that way. The book did not advocate abortion. It took no position at all.

[hoffdano]

Originally Posted by justme02

Depends on what you define as a baby. For me, a few cells swimming inside a womans uterus is not a baby and isnt life anymore than an egg is a chicken. I see nothing controversial about abortion in the first trimester. What I dont like is late term abortions.

Those cells are human and definitely not a frog's embryo. And those cells are the beginning of human life, which most people on this planet judge ultimately more important than the lives of other cells and creatures.