Everything you need to know about East Texas/Piney Woods thread!!

[TexasReb]

Originally Posted by Han$ome Texan

Ur both wrong he said north, south, east, and west and that east tex was in the southEAST portion. How is texas including east texas in the southeast when its in the SOUTHERN portion aka south central. Southeast portion of the u.s starts in Mississippi. I suggest y'all study a map and do research

With all due respect, seems like you have a bit of an arrogance/attitude issue, HT. Just a word to the wise...

I don't know much about the debate concerning the "greenery" issue, but on the southeast and south-central issue? Perhaps it is you who needs to step back and look at what others are actually saying, listen a bit...and stop believing your own delusions of being a self-superior authority on it all....without any credentials to do so, to boot! LOL

I can promise you -- and I have been on this forum quite a few years -- that every poster you are arguing with -- and condecendingly dismiss as needing to "look at a map"? -- are very well versed in the matter at hand, and have probably purviewed anything that matches what you have done.

I hasten to add, it is not necessary to agree with them on the subject. Far as that goes? Likely, they might not even completely agree with one another -- in all the shadings -- on it all, themselves. But note the tones of respect and an attitude devoid of undergrad arrogance when it comes to the topic (or any other).

Now then, with that said? My own opinion? (which buys the proverbial draw beer or cup of coffee?) Welllll....

As several have noted and is beyond dispute from a purely geographical point of view -- and Solitaire provided -- when it comes to dividing the country into a Northwest, Southwest, Southeast and Northeast? As in terms of pure quadrants? Then about a third of Texas is in the "Southeast".

Is is located in the South Central United States? Of course. Hell, for one thing, it is obvious by the same map mentioned above, that it is. Part in the southeastern quadrant and part in the southwestern quadrant? By those standards, it is, in fact, the quintensential definition of South central.

BUT? Louisiana and Arkansas are also considered "South Central" states. So are Mississippi, Alabama, and Tennessee, when it comes to U.S. Census Bureau classification. That is, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana are considered the "West South Central States." Missisissippi, Alabama, Tennessee and Kentucky are considered the "East South Central States". These two make up a major portion of the region -- as defined by the Census Bureau -- as "The South".

So point is? Is Louisiana, for instance, not to be considered southeastern in another application, just because it is often also referred to -- according to the source -- as South Central?

This is a point I think others are making. One doesn't necessarily negate the other. And as WarBeagle said -- in so many words -- the climate and flora and fauna of at least a goodly part of East Texas, is decidedly more akin to that of the lower southeast than any other part of the country.

[soletaire]

Originally Posted by TexasReb

With all due respect, seems like you have a bit of an arrogance/attitude issue, HT. Just a word to the wise...

I don't know much about the debate concerning the "greenery" issue, but on the southeast and south-central issue? Perhaps it is you who needs to step back and look at what others are actually saying, listen a bit...and stop believing your own delusions of being a self-superior authority on it all....without any credentials to do so, to boot! LOL

I can promise you -- and I have been on this forum quite a few years -- that every poster you are arguing with -- and condecendingly dismiss as needing to "look at a map"? -- are very well versed in the matter at hand, and have probably purviewed anything that matches what you have done.

I hasten to add, it is not necessary to agree with them on the subject. Far as that goes? Likely, they might not even completely agree with one another -- in all the shadings -- on it all, themselves. But note the tones of respect and an attitude devoid of undergrad arrogance when it comes to the topic (or any other).

Now then, with that said? My own opinion? (which buys the proverbial draw beer or cup of coffee?) Welllll....

As several have noted and is beyond dispute from a purely geographical point of view -- and Solitaire provided -- when it comes to dividing the country into a Northwest, Southwest, Southeast and Northeast? As in terms of pure quadrants? Then about a third of Texas is in the "Southeast".

Is is located in the South Central United States? Of course. Hell, for one thing, it is obvious by the same map mentioned above, that it is. Part in the southeastern quadrant and part in the southwestern quadrant? By those standards, it is, in fact, the quintensential definition of South central.

Thanks for expounding on what we were (or at least what I was) trying to convey Tex Reb, and I agree. The Southeast (or Southwest or South Central) CAN be largely arbitrary depending on the context. Though I agree that Texas is in the South Central when divided into more microregions of the US, in some definitions the Southeast does include portions of Texas. And while I think this is pretty far fetched, Ive even seen definitions that include all of Texas in it.

Now I dont agree with it, but it does highlight how arbitrary relative geographic designations can be. For further evidence of this, all one needs to do is look at how an Eastern Central Texas town like College Station is now home to a school affiliated with the South Eastern Conference. Meanwhile, Louisiana has almost always been considered Southeast by all, yet it along with Arkansas, and at times even Mississippi are included in the designation of Central South along with Texas. Although, I tend to agree that Texas as a whole doesnt quite jive with the Southeast at all, I think a convincing argument could be made that a goodly portion of its Eastern half, especially Deep East Texas, is virtually a mirror image of the Southeast, based on my time there.