Texas being excluded from the South (Houston, San Antonio: legal, versus, foods)

[kemahkami]

Originally Posted by CookieSkoon

I have decided not to take anything you say seriously unless you provide at least an equal amount of evidence as TexasReb had.

Argumentum ad verecundiam

[CookieSkoon]

Originally Posted by ScrappyJoe

Argumentum ad verecundiam

Quicquid iuvat nocte dormiunt.

[kemahkami]

Originally Posted by CookieSkoon

Quicquid iuvat nocte dormiunt.

Amisso Disputatio

[CookieSkoon]

Originally Posted by ScrappyJoe

Amisso Disputatio

Non est tibi (close enough)

(I feel like we might be hijacking the thread now haha)

[tcualum]

All of my Texas born and raised kinfolk consider grits to be an abomination. In fact, the only one who will eat grits when we go to Cracker Barrel is my immigrant husband. My sister moved to Georgia about a decade ago and she doesn't really consider Texas to be Southern.

[KathrynAragon]

Viva le France!

Carpe Diem!

E pluribus unum!

Semper fi!

[CookieSkoon]

Originally Posted by tcualum

All of my Texas born and raised kinfolk consider grits to be an abomination. In fact, the only one who will eat grits when we go to Cracker Barrel is my immigrant husband. My sister moved to Georgia about a decade ago and she doesn't really consider Texas to be Southern.

Honestly I don't think grits is the be all, end all of southerness.

I grew up in NY and we had grits quite commonly. It may not have been a staple here back in the 1950's, sure, but by the 80's and 90's it made its way up here.

[KathrynAragon]

It's not just grits, y'all. It's also boiled peanuts (I know you can find them in Texas but they are still a rarity), cowboy churches (Texas has tons of them - the traditionally "deep South" states don't have nearly the concentration), the southwestern and Mexican influences (less the further east you go), the accents (they definitely differ by region), the economic base, the African American influence ("deep South" states have a lot more of it), etc., etc. Texas is definitely a southern state, on the border of the American South, but it's not a Deep South state. That's all I'm saying.

[Saintmarks]

Originally Posted by KathrynAragon

It's not just grits, y'all. It's also boiled peanuts (I know you can find them in Texas but they are still a rarity), cowboy churches (Texas has tons of them - the traditionally "deep South" states don't have nearly the concentration), the southwestern and Mexican influences (less the further east you go), the accents (they definitely differ by region), the economic base, the African American influence ("deep South" states have a lot more of it), etc., etc. Texas is definitely a southern state, on the border of the American South, but it's not a Deep South state. That's all I'm saying.

Exactly this. South Carolina to Louisiana is deep south. That doesn't mean places like Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee and Virginia aren't southern. But they don't have the deep south feel that those places have. And then you have the Mississippi delta regions of Tennessee and Arkansas that are much more akin to Mississippi deep south feel than Appalachian regions of Georgia, Alabama and the Carolinas.

I think we forgot the hallowed place that high school and college football hold that anchors Texas deeply with its fellow southern brethren. It is not experienced on this level in any other part of the country. Don't know if anyone mentioned that.

Differences don't make it not the south. But it's banging one's head against the wall at this point to say otherwise. There is an arrogance in some Texans that is both compelling and off putting at the same time. This refusal to say they aren't southern and just "Texas" is bordering on the off putting side.

[brock2010]

In my opinion Texas is a little bit of everything: southern, southwestern, Mexican and a dash of the midwest. It's what makes us unique and awesome!