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Old 07-03-2010, 01:13 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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I would give a dig a better shot at rehab than I would most humans.
A dog rarely if ever turns on it's owner - no matter how vicious THE OWNER is.
Look at Michael Vicks - he tortured, fought starved and HANGED his dogs.
Now he has a reality show.
None of his dogs ever retaliated - he admits that they were all "innocent and didn't deserve what I did to them"
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Old 07-03-2010, 01:31 PM
 
Location: The mountians of Northern California.
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About 40 years ago a vicious psychopath kidnapped a teenager in California, took her to the desert, raped her, chopped off both arms, poured lye on her head (which left her blind and bald) and left her alone to die. Amazingly, she survived and was able to testify against the man when he was caught. Since the girl survived, the death penalty didn't come into play but he spent a couple of decades (or more) in prison. When he was finally released, no community was willing to accept him so he ended up living in an apartment near the prison. I forget his name but think it was Larry something. I imagine the man is dead by now since this happened so long ago.

I have no problem with the death penalty for sadistic and vicious murderers and think it is a service to the rest of society to remove them permanently, as they will always be a danger to others. If the death penalty cannot be imposed, at the very least, give these demon possessed sub-humans life with no possibility of parole for them. Let them die quickly by execution or die later in prison. Just never let them out.

To answer the question--of course, I would want to know.
He ended up killing a woman in FL after his release in CA.

Lawrence Singleton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 07-03-2010, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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What Vick did was messed up, and IMO the laws for that sort of behavior should have a heavy punishment. But from what I've read, his sentence was much higher than the typical sentence for animal cruelty.

I love dogs, I love animals, and hell I think there are a fair few human beings who behave worse than animals. But you'll never convince lawmakers to give animal abusers the same treatment as murderers, simply because most people see animals as being below humans. Ironically, my cat has never harmed a person, nor did my late dog. Can't say the same about a ****load of humans.
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Old 07-03-2010, 01:35 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Pandamonium my "grasp on the criminal justice system' is firm and informed.
I see our criminal justice system as flawed.
People get off because they have the money to retain "dream team" attorneys.
Poor people get incompetent, inexperienced or disinterested public defenders and sometimes get the death penalty when it is undeserved.

This is why I am personally against the death penalty. It is also expensive and it puts us in league with nations with which I would prefer not to be associated as an American.

But I have NO PROBLEM with life imprisonment without parole.
Why does a "sexual crime" have to be the litmus test?
There are plenty of horrible things one human being can inflict upon another that do not involve sex at all - consider that really brutal crime posted By Cunusu Beach - I mean really ??? That guy got out? WHY?
So that would be in my opinion an "under punished crime"
A perfect example, in fact!
Another that comes to mind is the 1965 torture slaying of teenager Sylvia Liken in Indiana. The ring leader an adult woman Gertrude Baniszewski got twenty years! Her teenged children and neighbor children who were complicit in branding tatooing burning scalding starving humiliating and viscous and relentless of beating this girl served very little time. One went on to offend again - Coy Hubbard armed robbery after serving only 2 years!

Her adult daughters are now grandmothers and live quiet lives with changed names in Iowa and Florida. One went on to become a teacher.
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Old 07-03-2010, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Texas
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No, you do the crime and the time, your done.

It isn't necessary to get a notification by mail. If you have a name, your good to go. (Excepting sexual offenses).
Yeah, I don't see why rape and pedophilia get some sort of special treatment. I don't want to be raped, but I don't want to be murdered, beat up, or shot, either.

Names in the newspaper and notification to all in the area!

I wonder if that wouldn't be a pretty good deterrent.
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Old 07-03-2010, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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He ended up killing a woman in FL after his release in CA.

Lawrence Singleton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Thanks for posting this. I had forgotten his last name and all I could come up with was "Larry Sinclair" but I knew it wasn't that. (Larry Sinclair is the name of the guy who claims to have had sex with Barack Obama when they were both teens or early twenties.)

I didn't know that Singleton had been released after such a short time--had thought it was longer. Nor did I know that he had gone on to murder again.

Another case in California more than 25 years ago involved a father who set fire to his 6 year old son in a motel room. The boy, David Rothenberg, survived in spite of having 3rd degree burns over 90 percent of his body. His father, Charles Rothenberg, served less than 7 years in prison.
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Old 07-03-2010, 02:11 PM
 
Location: southern california
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somehow in the last 50 years we ditched punishment and replaced it with time out.
dr spock lied.
mutant christian doctrine monster.
highest prison population on earth.
in bagdad they have low prison population and hardly any gangbangers.
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Old 07-03-2010, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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I'm not a big fan of these sex offender lists though. First off, you can be put on there for taking a **** in public. That's not right.

Just lock all murderers and rapists up for life, or shoot them in the head and just be done with it.
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Old 07-03-2010, 04:48 PM
 
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Yes, I do believe in notification. I also believe in life-long monitoring for those that commit such horrible crimes.

Nowadays, it is more common for someone who is charged with drug crimes to be sentenced to a longer time than someone who rapes, kills, tortures.
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Old 07-05-2010, 08:39 AM
 
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I wonder for those of you who said they were opposed to the death penalty ,would feel differently if a sadistic vicous criminal totured one of your loved ones ? I myself believe in the death penalty and also I am against leaving them on death row for twenty yrs eating up our taxes to feed them , clothe them and give them medical and dental care when so many of our citizens cannot afford their own medical and dental care . As the daughter of a retired police detective and the granddaughter of a retired attorney this hits close to home .
I always wondered what it would be like to be in a family where your parent or other close relative (spouse) is a police detective. Specifically, how do they emotionally handle it and how does it affect the entire family? I realize they can only discuss so much, but the type of job like this must impact the whole family. And,they're involved with this "darker "element of society and trudging through the mud themselves in order to help society at large.
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