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She hates what he stands for - the old class system. She applies her beliefs to every member of the aristocratic class and that shows her to be just the sort of person she is accusing Lord Grantham of. She's a reverse snob of the worst kind.
That is probably true. I would have sympathized with her more if she would have at least respected Tom enough to behave after he invited her to Downton. She could have still got him fired up again about his causes without alienating everyone he loves.
I love Tom's storyline. He's probably accomplishing more for his cause now at Downton than he ever would have at Socialist rallies. He's convinced him to build nice homes for people, and modernize the estate.
I wish they hadn't killed Sybil off because I really liked her character, but it made Tom a more interesting character. I wonder what the actress that played Sybil is doing now. I thought she was getting all these movie offers and that's why she left the show, but I haven't seen her in anything. Ditto the guy who played Matthew. Just because I haven't seen them doesn't mean they're not doing anything else, but the only actors from this show I have seen in movies are still on the show (Lady Mary and Violet). It just seems like they could have continued their roles on Downton as well.
Joanne Foggatt (Anna). Says now she drew insparation for her portrayal of getting raped from a friends grandmother that was a maid in the 1930s and was raped ....that was after she got the Oscar Lol I don't believe that story for a minute, I doubt she got the Oscar just for the rape screen like she thinks she did,
Didn't she say at the awards that some woman called her saying she had once been raped , where do these people get these celebs phone numbers anyhow ..doubt that's true either
Mary doesn't smile very much, does she? A smile would light up her face.
When Mary and Tony were in the bed together and Tony got up to get his breakfast, she did flash a smile, and at that brief moment, I would say that she was incredibly beautiful. It really made a difference. The actress is quite attractive I will admit.
When Mary and Tony were in the bed together and Tony got up to get his breakfast, she did flash a smile, and at that brief moment, I would say that she was incredibly beautiful. It really made a difference. The actress is quite attractive I will admit.
I remember that moment. I think Michelle is playing her roll to the hilt, and is doing a great job. Just look at how many folks commenting here think she's stiff and cold, hateful and unloving, etc! That's just Mary's persona acted so adroitly that some think she's that person.
I've seen her in interviews and she's warm and gracious and, I think, a classy young woman. Isn't she only 26 or something, in real life? Wow. She's much more composed and succinct in her conversation than most American woman her age. In my opinion, anyway.
I read a lot of Victorian and post-Victorian mysteries, and Michelle's Mary fits in, exactly.
When Mary and Tony were in the bed together and Tony got up to get his breakfast, she did flash a smile, and at that brief moment, I would say that she was incredibly beautiful. It really made a difference. The actress is quite attractive I will admit.
She should smile more - it would make her look beautiful. She's always so stiff and her face rarely reveals an emotion. Yes, she's very much a proper English lady who keeps everything bottled up inside.
I remember that moment. I think Michelle is playing her roll to the hilt, and is doing a great job. Just look at how many folks commenting here think she's stiff and cold, hateful and unloving, etc! That's just Mary's persona acted so adroitly that some think she's that person.
I've seen her in interviews and she's warm and gracious and, I think, a classy young woman. Isn't she only 26 or something, in real life? Wow. She's much more composed and succinct in her conversation than most American woman her age. In my opinion, anyway.
I read a lot of Victorian and post-Victorian mysteries, and Michelle's Mary fits in, exactly.
Wow, what a difference a few generations make - I see the 20-somethings out in public now and they seem to be screaming and jumping up and down all the time, and sometimes for no apparent reason. Can you imagine Mary doing that? Well, maybe the cousin, I could imagine doing something like that, but not even close to today's generation.
That is probably true. I would have sympathized with her more if she would have at least respected Tom enough to behave after he invited her to Downton. She could have still got him fired up again about his causes without alienating everyone he loves.
I love Tom's storyline. He's probably accomplishing more for his cause now at Downton than he ever would have at Socialist rallies. He's convinced him to build nice homes for people, and modernize the estate.
I wish they hadn't killed Sybil off because I really liked her character, but it made Tom a more interesting character. I wonder what the actress that played Sybil is doing now. I thought she was getting all these movie offers and that's why she left the show, but I haven't seen her in anything. Ditto the guy who played Matthew. Just because I haven't seen them doesn't mean they're not doing anything else, but the only actors from this show I have seen in movies are still on the show (Lady Mary and Violet). It just seems like they could have continued their roles on Downton as well.
Totally agree - she should have thought more about how Tom would feel for his family to be criticized like that. It was a formal dinner and she just wouldn't let things go, which shows a lack of not only etiquette, but common decency. Somebody once said of polite English conversation - avoid topics related to politics, religion, and money.
Tom's storyline is great. He is creating change from within and that's usually the way effective change is made. His character has really evolved over the seasons and I don't think he would be as interesting if Sybil was still alive. If Sybil was still alive, they would have probably moved back to Ireland again or even to the States. I think the actress that plays Sybil was in a time travel movie recently, but I forgot the title, other than that, I haven't seen her in much of anything, same situation with Dan Stevens. They both left the show for greener pastures, but I think it was too soon to leave. They can't even come back now because they've been written out permanently. Well, maybe Dan Stevens can return as a look-alike and Mary falls in love again with the doppelganger.
If she was lively and excited about things, she wouldn't be displaying her upbringing though. She was raised in the tale end of the victorian age, and it shows. Rose wasn't raised with the same expectations and in a much different time, so she doesn't act as Mary does. She has the added burdon of being the oldest daughter with no sons so she was the one to pass as a good catch to rescue the estate.
You are right - Rose is a lot younger than Mary, and that explains a lot in their personalities. It probably wasn't a carefree existence Mary was born into. She had her family's hopes pinned on her to marry someone with enough money to keep the estate going.
I thought that Michelle was a rock and roll chick too. She's playing Mary correctly, very haughtily, as one would expect the eldest daughter of an earl to behave. In fact, I think that she is too warm, as all the upper class characters are too warm, to the servants. In the middle of dinner, they ask the butler for his opinion. The servants are supposed to be invisible. Servants are not supposed to have opinions and certainly not air them to their masters. Rose is much younger than Mary. Her family is not wealthy (no estate and ran off to India) and I am not sure if she has or will inherit a title. She can afford to be a little more bubbly. If her parents divorce, that's going to make it harder for her to find a husband.
I can't see how Scotland Yard would make such a fuss over the murder of a schlub of a servant by another schlub of a servant. The only reason for them to bother with this long-term investigation is if they suspect someone rich and powerful was involved.
We must remember that there were sharp divisions between the classes in Europe. Even during WWII, the English army still had batmen and even batwomen serving senior officers, while Patton and Eisenhower just made do with military office assistants and drivers.
I thought that Michelle was a rock and roll chick too. She's playing Mary correctly, very haughtily, as one would expect the eldest daughter of an earl to behave. In fact, I think that she is too warm, as all the upper class characters are too warm, to the servants. In the middle of dinner, they ask the butler for his opinion. The servants are supposed to be invisible. Servants are not supposed to have opinions and certainly not air them to their masters. Rose is much younger than Mary. Her family is not wealthy (no estate and ran off to India) and I am not sure if she has or will inherit a title. She can afford to be a little more bubbly. If her parents divorce, that's going to make it harder for her to find a husband.
I can't see how Scotland Yard would make such a fuss over the murder of a schlub of a servant by another schlub of a servant. The only reason for them to bother with this long-term investigation is if they suspect someone rich and powerful was involved.
We must remember that there were sharp divisions between the classes in Europe. Even during WWII, the English army still had batmen and even batwomen serving senior officers, while Patton and Eisenhower just made do with military office assistants and drivers.
Michelle being a rock and roll type gal makes her a very good actress - she plays prim and proper amazingly well.
I am getting tired of Greene's murder investigation and why does Bates always have to have the shadow of murderous crime hanging over him. Why can't he and Mrs. Bates just have less trauma in their lives and a little bit of happiness, maybe work on having those babies they talked about last week. I wish they would just wrap up this whole murder case and have it go away.
I never knew about batmen and batwomen, that's interesting!
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