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Old 04-27-2011, 10:29 AM
 
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High Ranking Officials Confirm Rendlesham forest UFO incident

High Ranking Officials Confirm Rendlesham Forest Ufo Inc...
BBC Inside Out - Rendlesham UFO hoax
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Old 04-27-2011, 10:43 AM
 
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Here again we have one man who claims it was a hoax, while other men claim otherwise. So do you believe the one, or the others?
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Old 04-27-2011, 10:57 AM
 
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Here again we have one man who claims it was a hoax, while other men claim otherwise. So do you believe the one, or the others?
I clearly dont believe the ones who claim it is true, especially when I read this.

James Easton, a writer specialising in UFO phenomena, recently stumbled across the eyewitness reports, hidden in a released US government file.

Easton says that they make breathtaking reading. Each individual account conflicts with the other. But most damning of all is the admission that the men knew they were 'chasing lighthouse beams' from the Orford Ness lighthouse.

One of Halt's men says he touched an alien craft. Another states nothing happened at all.

Halt maintains a light out at sea is a UFO. Easton says he has identified that light as coming from the Shipwash Buoy, which is now out of service.

And this

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4135

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And with that, we're nearly out of evidence to examine. All that remains is the tale that the men were debriefed and ordered never to mention the event, and warned that "bullets are cheap". Well, as we've seen on television, the men all talk quite freely about it, and even Col. Halt says that to this day nobody has ever debriefed him. So this appears to be just another dramatic invention for television, perhaps from one of the men who have expanded their stories over the years.

When you examine each piece of evidence separately on its own merit, you avoid the trap of pattern matching and finding correlations where none exist. The meteors had nothing to do with the lighthouse or the rabbit diggings, but when you hear all three stories told together, it's easy to conclude (as did the airmen) that the light overhead became an alien spacecraft in the forest. Always remember: Separate pieces of poor evidence don't aggregate together into a single piece of good evidence. You can stack cowpies as high as you want, but they won't turn into a bar of gold.
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Old 04-27-2011, 11:07 AM
 
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Visiting alien spacecraft is an extraordinary claim right? Can we all agree to that. It is not an everyday experience for all of us to see alien spacecraft, is it. Well, then, we need extraordinary evidence to support the claim. And eye-witness testimony is not extraordinary evidence. Why? Because eye-witnesses can misperceive things, even groups of eye-witnesses can misperceive things. People can misremember things, even groups of people can misremember things. People can lie, even groups of people can lie.

Extraordinary evidence would include pieces of the spacecraft, here on earth that all could see and scientists could test and evaluate. Not rumors of a space craft or stories from supposed witnesses, but actually hard evidence that everyone can see and can be tested even today.

If we had one shred of hard physical extraordinary evidence like that of alien spacecraft, then the concept would have some traction, but until then, skeptics will continue to acknowledge the truth that all you have is anecdote.
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Old 04-27-2011, 04:23 PM
 
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I clearly dont believe the ones who claim it is true, especially when I read this.

James Easton, a writer specialising in UFO phenomena, recently stumbled across the eyewitness reports, hidden in a released US government file.

Easton says that they make breathtaking reading. Each individual account conflicts with the other. But most damning of all is the admission that the men knew they were 'chasing lighthouse beams' from the Orford Ness lighthouse.

One of Halt's men says he touched an alien craft. Another states nothing happened at all.

Halt maintains a light out at sea is a UFO. Easton says he has identified that light as coming from the Shipwash Buoy, which is now out of service.

And this

The Rendlesham Forest UFO

And from the article:

And with that, we're nearly out of evidence to examine. All that remains is the tale that the men were debriefed and ordered never to mention the event, and warned that "bullets are cheap". Well, as we've seen on television, the men all talk quite freely about it, and even Col. Halt says that to this day nobody has ever debriefed him. So this appears to be just another dramatic invention for television, perhaps from one of the men who have expanded their stories over the years.

When you examine each piece of evidence separately on its own merit, you avoid the trap of pattern matching and finding correlations where none exist. The meteors had nothing to do with the lighthouse or the rabbit diggings, but when you hear all three stories told together, it's easy to conclude (as did the airmen) that the light overhead became an alien spacecraft in the forest. Always remember: Separate pieces of poor evidence don't aggregate together into a single piece of good evidence. You can stack cowpies as high as you want, but they won't turn into a bar of gold.
Yes here we go again. Hidden in a release of U.S. Government reports. Thirty men report radation levels reaching 25 times higher then normal. They are speaking of blue, red, and yellow lights. They are telling us of molten metal dripping off the craft, yet this metal did not hit the ground. They found the indentations equally spaced on the ground made by the craft. They spent 6 hours observing all of this and much more. And you believe they were looking at a light from a lighthouse, and rabbit diggings? You have to be joking. The government report is spoon feeding you. And it appears you want to be spoon fed. Why not listen to those who were actually there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUjmz...eature=related

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Old 04-27-2011, 04:36 PM
 
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God knew these aliens from the beginning. They are not human, and they are not our friends. And they have come here to deceive us.
Perhaps that is their ancient belief in their history also, but as they have attained enough knowledge to master interstellar travel, they have left the superstitions of gods and other irrational things far far in their history.

At least there is a rational basis for extraterrestrial aliens to exist, evolution, the same start we owe to our existence. The probability is high that life exists, or has existed throughout the universe, but would they view us as intelligent or just primiative tribes, waring and worshiping deities with rituals based on superstition.
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Old 04-27-2011, 04:36 PM
 
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Yes here we go again. Hidden in a release of U.S. Government reports. Thirty men report radation levels reaching 25 times higher then normal. They are speaking of blue, red, and yellow lights. They are telling us of molten metal dripping off the craft, yet this metal did not hit the ground. They found the indentations equally spaced on the ground made by the craft. They spent 6 hours observing all of this and much more. And you believe they were looking at a light from a lighthouse, and rabbit diggings? You have to be joking. The government report is spoon feeding you. And it appears you want to be spoon fed. Why not listen to those who were actually there?

Just showing your ignorance to the facts, the people that were there and involved, they cant get their story straight in interviews and more!!!!. Way to ignore the facts, but then again that is your MO.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4135
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Old 04-27-2011, 05:03 PM
 
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Just showing your ignorance to the facts, the people that were there and involved, they cant get their story straight in interviews and more!!!!. Way to ignore the facts, but then again that is your MO.

The Rendlesham Forest UFO

Each man gives their account from their perspective. And of course, you believe all this simply boils down to a light house and rabbit holes. How on earth anyone can believe that is beyond me. Yet if you can dismiss all these accounts, and believe only the government account. What can I say. By the way, I have some land in Florida I would like to sell you.


YouTube - UFO - The Rendlesham Forest Case - Part 1 of 6
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Old 04-27-2011, 05:14 PM
 
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Perhaps that is their ancient belief in their history also, but as they have attained enough knowledge to master interstellar travel, they have left the superstitions of gods and other irrational things far far in their history.

At least there is a rational basis for extraterrestrial aliens to exist, evolution, the same start we owe to our existence. The probability is high that life exists, or has existed throughout the universe, but would they view us as intelligent or just primiative tribes, waring and worshiping deities with rituals based on superstition.
It is their present actions that reveal their true nature. And not some ancient belief. And their makeup has more to do with spiritual beings then biological evolution. They view us as primiative, yet special.
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Old 04-27-2011, 05:16 PM
 
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Each man gives their account from their perspective. And of course, you believe all this simply boils down to a light house and rabbit holes. How on earth anyone can believe that is beyond me. Yet if you can dismiss all these accounts, and believe only the government account. What can I say. By the way, I have some land in Florida I would like to sell you.


YouTube - UFO - The Rendlesham Forest Case - Part 1 of 6
I believe based on the evidence, which is against them and again it wasnt just a government account. BTW I hate Florida, so no thanks.

Not government document
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4135
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