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Old 09-03-2017, 02:05 PM
 
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Old 09-04-2017, 09:24 AM
 
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Its exiting to think about the possibility, given its repeating itself. Our radio, TV broadcasts have been out in space for years. Maybe someone heard it. The response though if sent may be ancient due to the vast distances.

I think first contact it it happens will be in a manner like this. I dont see ships showing up here.
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Old 09-04-2017, 12:45 PM
 
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Its exiting to think about the possibility, given its repeating itself. Our radio, TV broadcasts have been out in space for years. Maybe someone heard it. The response though if sent may be ancient due to the vast distances.

I think first contact it it happens will be in a manner like this. I dont see ships showing up here.
A galaxy located 3 billion light years away is a pretty vast distance in both time and space. The amount of energy to create such bursts would probably be pretty extreme.

Closer to home, if we take into account a rough figure radio waves have traveled from Earth, let's use a figure of 100 years. While the radio wave are still traveling, at approximately 100 light years away, the radio waves we've generated would be so diffused (weak) that it would be indistinguishable from the rest of the "noise" in our galaxy. Think of those radio waves as an ever-growing arc. Just how far have those signals traveled? Here's an image that gives a good idea. Look at the box in the lower right corner. The red dot in the middle is the span of 200 light years.
This is how far human radio broadcasts have reached into the galaxy | The Planetary Society

There is a total of about 512~ G stars within a 100 light year radius from our Sun. As you get shorter distances, closer to us, that number significantly drops. For example, within 40-50 light years from the Sun, there are about 34 G stars. 10-20 light years away, there are about 5 G stars. Within 10 light years (or less) there are 2 G stars. Again, any of our radio waves at 100 light years away would be nearly impossible to detect. The shorter the distances are, the stronger the signals are, but that's not saying much. That's because the signals we've broadcast aren't all that strong in the first place.
G stars within 100 light-years

The Voyager spacecrafts are a long way from home, but that's pretty insignificant in the larger scale of neighboring stars. We can still pick up signals with the Voyagers, but the farther they travel, the weaker the signal becomes. Voyager 1 has a 22.4 Watt transmitter, about the same amount as a refrigerator light bulb. By the time the signal reaches Earth, the power is reduced to about 0.1 billion-billionth of a Watt. It's remarkable we can detect them at all. The nuclear power supply is losing power at a rate of about 4 Watts per year. It's thought we will lose all communication sometime around 2024-2025, at which point Voyager will be entirely on its own silently drifting through the galaxy.
https://www.wired.com/2013/09/vintage-voyager-probes/
How Much Longer Will We Talk to the Voyagers?

That said, it's pretty unlikely any radio signals would be picked up by some form of technological intelligent life in some other solar system. The exception is if we send a narrow focused (beam) signal, such as a laser beam, but it would have to precisely reach its destination. Hard to do considering such an exoplanet would also be traveling around its own Sun meaning that by the time the signal reached that solar system, the planet could be out of reach of the signal - it could completely miss the planet. Another alternative would be to send a swarm of probes to the exosolar system to locate the exoplanet and transmit to it. The drawback is that we wouldn't know if there are any intelligent lifeforms on the target exoplanet. Further, we wouldn't hear from any of probes in the swarm unless we develop much more powerful receivers.

As you said, the distances are vast.
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Old 09-06-2017, 07:37 AM
 
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Distances are vast (for us right now), that may not be the case for civilization that has 1000s of years ahead of us. Its likely they have overcome that hurdle. Just look at mankind 100 years ago, the technology we have today would have been thought impossible back then, now consider 1000s of years difference, or even longer, Im sure lots of their technology would seem impossible to us.

That being said, this 15 radio signal story is more evidence they are prepping us for disclosure. Im 45 yrs old and think I will see it in my lifetime, our 'new gods' will be introduced to us, and mark my words, eventually they will either claim to be our creators, or given the credit for it.
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Old 09-06-2017, 05:17 PM
 
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Distances are vast (for us right now), that may not be the case for civilization that has 1000s of years ahead of us. Its likely they have overcome that hurdle. Just look at mankind 100 years ago, the technology we have today would have been thought impossible back then, now consider 1000s of years difference, or even longer, Im sure lots of their technology would seem impossible to us.

That being said, this 15 radio signal story is more evidence they are prepping us for disclosure. Im 45 yrs old and think I will see it in my lifetime, our 'new gods' will be introduced to us, and mark my words, eventually they will either claim to be our creators, or given the credit for it.
The trouble with this kind of view is that it's just speculation with the hope that it might represent a sign of intelligent ET life elsewhere in the universe. While there may indeed be intelligent life elsewhere, that doesn't automatically mean that a few blips from a 3 billion year old galaxy is evidence of ET life and technology. The cause could be anything, including a weird quirky pulsar or magnetar. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of phenomena that occurs in the universe that we have not yet discovered or explored or fully understand.

I'd have to say that describing advanced ETs as "gods" speaks volumes. All we need to do is look back at human history to see how people viewed natural phenomena as being mythical gods, pretty much in human form. Humans presented these "gods" as having very human-like form because the human form is what people were obviously familiar with and could relate to. Having ancient human-like gods such as Jupiter, Thor, Krishna, etc., was easier to relate to and easier to explain how natural phenomena worked in the past.

If the aliens (gods) are as you might imagine and are as advanced as suggested (1000's of years or longer), I would like to ask what makes you think they'd even be remotely recognizable by humans? How would a disclosure even begin to describe such entities? There's no guarantee that any ETs would be even remotely similar to humans. Their path of evolving would more than likely to be a completely different path than that of life on Earth. And if they were so highly advanced 3 billion years ago, what makes you think they'd bother with revealing themselves to us? After 3 billion years, they'd more than likely be long extinct.

To be fair, we do not have the technology to actually see any of the earth-sized exoplanets, even the closest ones, that we're pretty certain exist. That might change a bit with the next generation of space telescopes such as the Kepler Space Observatory or the James Webb Space Telescope. But even with such telescopes, we're not likely to see much more than a tiny dot at best, if at all, or more likely detect a wobble of the parent star's light.

I saw an interesting size comparison. If the Earth were shrunk to the size of a hydrogen atom and the observable universe were shrunk accordingly, the observable universe would have a diameter of 4,548,198 miles or a radius of 2,274,099 miles. That's about 9.5 times the distance between the Earth and the Moon. So, imagine being 2,274,099 miles away from the Earth and trying to see a single hydrogen atom. That's the kind of vastness we'd be talking about. The Earth is very insignificant, but for us, the Earth is very large. Insignificant or not, it's still important for us because it's the planet we live on in the universe. But in the grand "scheme" of the scale of the observable universe, the entire Earth is practically invisible.

How would the "15 radio signal story" be evidence of prepping anyone for a disclosure? I would recommend taking another look at the link of the Planetary Society I posted to get a better idea of how insignificant even a 200 light year segment is in relation to just the Milky Way galaxy alone, never mind a galaxy 3 billion light years away.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvN6eKAQ8ZE&t=1s
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Old 09-06-2017, 09:18 PM
 
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The trouble with this kind of view is that it's just speculation with the hope that it might represent a sign of intelligent ET life elsewhere in the universe. While there may indeed be intelligent life elsewhere, that doesn't automatically mean that a few blips from a 3 billion year old galaxy is evidence of ET life and technology. The cause could be anything, including a weird quirky pulsar or magnetar. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of phenomena that occurs in the universe that we have not yet discovered or explored or fully understand.

I'd have to say that describing advanced ETs as "gods" speaks volumes. All we need to do is look back at human history to see how people viewed natural phenomena as being mythical gods, pretty much in human form. Humans presented these "gods" as having very human-like form because the human form is what people were obviously familiar with and could relate to. Having ancient human-like gods such as Jupiter, Thor, Krishna, etc., was easier to relate to and easier to explain how natural phenomena worked in the past.

If the aliens (gods) are as you might imagine and are as advanced as suggested (1000's of years or longer), I would like to ask what makes you think they'd even be remotely recognizable by humans? How would a disclosure even begin to describe such entities? There's no guarantee that any ETs would be even remotely similar to humans. Their path of evolving would more than likely to be a completely different path than that of life on Earth. And if they were so highly advanced 3 billion years ago, what makes you think they'd bother with revealing themselves to us? After 3 billion years, they'd more than likely be long extinct.

To be fair, we do not have the technology to actually see any of the earth-sized exoplanets, even the closest ones, that we're pretty certain exist. That might change a bit with the next generation of space telescopes such as the Kepler Space Observatory or the James Webb Space Telescope. But even with such telescopes, we're not likely to see much more than a tiny dot at best, if at all, or more likely detect a wobble of the parent star's light.

I saw an interesting size comparison. If the Earth were shrunk to the size of a hydrogen atom and the observable universe were shrunk accordingly, the observable universe would have a diameter of 4,548,198 miles or a radius of 2,274,099 miles. That's about 9.5 times the distance between the Earth and the Moon. So, imagine being 2,274,099 miles away from the Earth and trying to see a single hydrogen atom. That's the kind of vastness we'd be talking about. The Earth is very insignificant, but for us, the Earth is very large. Insignificant or not, it's still important for us because it's the planet we live on in the universe. But in the grand "scheme" of the scale of the observable universe, the entire Earth is practically invisible.

How would the "15 radio signal story" be evidence of prepping anyone for a disclosure? I would recommend taking another look at the link of the Planetary Society I posted to get a better idea of how insignificant even a 200 light year segment is in relation to just the Milky Way galaxy alone, never mind a galaxy 3 billion light years away.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvN6eKAQ8ZE&t=1s
That is one reason i think disclosure has not happened already, whatever 'aliens' truly are, it may be just too bizarre for humans to tolerate, or it is something we cannot even comprehend. Most people think of aliens as just another biological, carbon based lifeform that happens to live somewhere else, on another planet....what if its not that simple, if they are inter-dimensional, that would just be too weird to even begin to explain in a press conference, or what if they come from a place or an origin that we know absolutely nothing about, maybe its not another planet or another dimension, but something else..?

Something related I see alot, people asking why all UFO pics and videos are always blurry/ out of focus when we have such great cameras in our pockets, well, same answer as above, maybe they are not entirely 'compatible' with our technology, its tough to speculate about, but it is a possibility.
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:01 PM
 
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That is one reason i think disclosure has not happened already, whatever 'aliens' truly are, it may be just too bizarre for humans to tolerate, or it is something we cannot even comprehend. Most people think of aliens as just another biological, carbon based lifeform that happens to live somewhere else, on another planet....what if its not that simple, if they are inter-dimensional, that would just be too weird to even begin to explain in a press conference, or what if they come from a place or an origin that we know absolutely nothing about, maybe its not another planet or another dimension, but something else..?
There are flaws with this thinking. It might help to first understand the meaning of the word "disclosure". In order to disclose something, someone would have to know about it. But how would anyone know what that something is if it's something no one can comprehend? If the military or government were intentionally avoiding to disclose such information, then someone knows about it, meaning that it can indeed be comprehended enough to be aware of it. If something is unknowable, then there wouldn't be anything to disclose.
Disclosure | Define Disclosure at Dictionary.com

You mention what if they are interdimensional beings? What is an interdimensional being? Please define "interdimensional". If it's too weird to explain such beings, then again, how would any one know about such beings? That could also apply to "if they come from a place or an origin we know absolutely nothing about". On the other hand, if they co-exist in the same universe as we do, then we might not know where they are from or their origin, but we can be reasonably certain that they are probably subject to the same laws of the universe as us. It might be helpful to understand something about dimensions.
Dimensions | Define Dimensions at Dictionary.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension

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Something related I see alot, people asking why all UFO pics and videos are always blurry/ out of focus when we have such great cameras in our pockets, well, same answer as above, maybe they are not entirely 'compatible' with our technology, its tough to speculate about, but it is a possibility.
I wouldn't go so far as to talk about what may or may not be compatible with our technology. If photos and videos can be taken of UFOs, then they are at least somewhat compatible with our technology to be able to take blurry pictures of them. If the UFOs use a form of cloaking, then it could be difficult to clearly detect them. That said, our own technology has developed forms of cloaking. Stealth aircraft were designed in a way so as to render them invisible to radar. And there are efforts to make a form of cloaking that makes visible things seem to be invisible to the eye, although that hasn't exactly been perfected yet for practical use.
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Old 09-07-2017, 10:12 PM
 
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I think it might have been me tweaking my CB. Kinda like a high frequency Snipe Hunt.
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Old 09-08-2017, 05:31 AM
 
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There are flaws with this thinking. It might help to first understand the meaning of the word "disclosure". In order to disclose something, someone would have to know about it. But how would anyone know what that something is if it's something no one can comprehend? If the military or government were intentionally avoiding to disclose such information, then someone knows about it, meaning that it can indeed be comprehended enough to be aware of it. If something is unknowable, then there wouldn't be anything to disclose.
Disclosure | Define Disclosure at Dictionary.com
Lets just say this...they know more than they tell the public about this topic, they may not know all the details on them, but they know something, this has been going on for decades, its quite common to hear of military jets and helicopters being scrambled when a UFO is in the area, they have been seen both chasing and escorting these things. (escorting is probably their attempt to create similar aircraft, experimenting with anti-grav, electromagnetic, etc).

So these pilots would have to be given some information as to why they are being sent up, what to expect, what precautions to take, etc.

I very much doubt they would disclose until they know all the details and they have control over them, plus you have to consider how difficult it would be to try and explain something like this to the public, even the details they do have, its probably pretty hard to 'dumb it down' enough for a press conference. Im sure you have noticed they tend to address the public like they are still in grade school. lol
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Old 09-08-2017, 12:17 PM
 
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Lets just say this...they know more than they tell the public about this topic, they may not know all the details on them, but they know something, this has been going on for decades, its quite common to hear of military jets and helicopters being scrambled when a UFO is in the area, they have been seen both chasing and escorting these things. (escorting is probably their attempt to create similar aircraft, experimenting with anti-grav, electromagnetic, etc).
Thanks for sharing your views. That said, I'd be inclined to think that "UFOs" probably do exist. I have to say "probably" because I've never had the experience to actually see any. The real issue is about what they really are. It gets to be a bit of a difficult situation because a UFO could be anything at all. Could they be crafts from somewhere else in the galaxy? Maybe, but that's definitely not the only possible explanation. Some UFOs could also be some kind of weird natural but unexplainable phenomena. There are a lot of things we don't know and are currently unable to explain. And there are things that we might never be able to explain. But for some people, it seems the only explanation for UFOs is that they're artificial vehicles created, operated or controlled by some kind of intelligent beings or entities from elsewhere in the galaxy or the universe without any conclusive support that their view is the only explanation without any need for real evidence. Remember, UFO simply means "Unidentified Flying Objects". If we knew what they were, they wouldn't be considered as "Unidentified".

There are very good reasons for scrambling aircraft when unusual or unexpected blips show up on radar, or are seen visually. The mission is to try to identify these things in order to determine if they are or aren't aircraft from other not-so-friendly countries. In most cases, an aircraft flying into another country's airspace must have authorization to enter that airspace. The reason for such regulations and policies is a matter of national security and to prevent anyone sneaking in that may have hostile intentions. It isn't much different than traveling to other countries. You usually have to have a visa which is an authorization to enter that country. Aircraft are also required by international convention to have authorization to fly over a country's airspace. With commercial aircraft, such authorization is prearranged along with mutual agreement. Still, commercial aircraft must make radio contact to verify the airplane's ID and position or location. Most of the time, position and location are automatically transmitted.

I have a little difficulty with your description about "escorting these things" as a probable attempt to create similar aircraft, anti-gravity experimentation, etc. I think it's more likely military aircraft are scrambled to identify the mystery objects and to determine if they pose a threat and/or an unauthorized breech of security over national airspace. That's not unreasonable to understand. Unfortunately, there are plenty of potential threats in the world by other unfriendly nations or people.

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So these pilots would have to be given some information as to why they are being sent up, what to expect, what precautions to take, etc.
While the pilots may be given a reason for the chase, most information is limited to acknowledging the presence of an Unidentified Flying Object, and to identify what kind of object it is. Additionally, information such as location, direction, altitude and speed of the objects are likely given to the pilots. Apart from all that, the pilots are on their own but follow the protocols and orders that they've been trained for. Additional communication is between the squad leader and other planes or with the base. Part of the standards would be to try to establish communication with the craft.

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I very much doubt they would disclose until they know all the details and they have control over them, plus you have to consider how difficult it would be to try and explain something like this to the public, even the details they do have, its probably pretty hard to 'dumb it down' enough for a press conference. Im sure you have noticed they tend to address the public like they are still in grade school. lol
I'd have to disagree with details being dumbed down to address the matter to the general public as though the public are still in grade school. I know what you mean though. But I think there's more to it than that. I think it's mostly a matter of presenting a simplified account for the majority of the general public. There are some technical and scientific details that most of the pubic would not be able to understand. For example, there are papers that include a lot of deep mathematical concepts that only the scientists or technicians will understand. It's like a specialized language. Not everyone knows those "languages", so it's easier to describe things in a way that is understandable to the majority of the general public rather than just a select few.

For a comparative example, I can speak and understand two different languages. If someone is speaking some other language, like Chinese, Russian, French, German, etc., I wouldn't have the slightest idea what the person is saying. I go in for periodic medical checkups. If my PCP were to use all only medical terms to describe a condition, procedures, etc., I'd have no real idea about what he's talking about. Most of the "dumbed down" information the public receives usually from the media, public announcements or public lectures, are described in non-technical terms. From the media, information is usually kept fairly short and brief because of limited print space or time restrictions. The point is that things aren't necessarily "dumbed down" to hide things, but rather more to make the subjects better understandable by a wider range of people - the general public - rather than just to a professional audience. It's not always perfect, but it's generally the best method unless we have the technical or professional level of complex skills and knowledge.

That said, I would agree that sometimes things aren't always revealed, especially if it deals with national security. It wouldn't be very wise to blab out some secrets to the entire world. Other countries do the same thing.
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