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Old 05-11-2015, 06:35 PM
 
Location: London
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Old 05-11-2015, 06:38 PM
 
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some more interesting election patterns:
We do not have coalfields anymore.
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Old 05-11-2015, 06:54 PM
 
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"The more a seat looked like London – young, ethnically diverse, highly educated, socially liberal, large public sector – the better Labour did, on the whole. Yet this is the electorate of the future"

The Tory party did less well in London, Yorkshire and north-west England, three large areas. The Tories lost 10 seat to Labour and gained 8. Net loss of 2. Labour gained about 1.5% from 2010 while the Tories 0.5%. In a straight Tory v Labour, Labour won.

UKip made all the difference.
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Location: Western Massachusetts
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We do not have coalfields anymore.
I assume they were going by former coalfields.
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Old 05-12-2015, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Blighty
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"The more a seat looked like London – young, ethnically diverse, highly educated, socially liberal, large public sector – the better Labour did, on the whole. Yet this is the electorate of the future"

The Tory party did less well in London, Yorkshire and north-west England, three large areas. The Tories lost 10 seat to Labour and gained 8. Net loss of 2. Labour gained about 1.5% from 2010 while the Tories 0.5%. In a straight Tory v Labour, Labour won.

UKip made all the difference.
The comments section is aptly making fun of the grauniad's less-than-subtle implication that being "highly educated" makes you a labour voter.

"Young (as in under 25), socially liberal, multiethnic" I agree with, but I would replace "educated" with "deprived inner city". The most highly educated, qualified and productive demographic groups in the central London area (Inner London West has the highest GDP per capita among OECD designated areas in the world) all voted Tory.
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Old 05-12-2015, 12:44 AM
 
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The comments section is aptly making fun of the grauniad's less-than-subtle implication that being "highly educated" makes you a labour voter.

"Young (as in under 25), socially liberal, multiethnic" I agree with, but I would replace "educated" with "deprived inner city". The most highly educated, qualified and productive demographic groups in the central London area (Inner London West has the highest GDP per capita among OECD designated areas in the world) all voted Tory.
The 'electorate of the future' claim could be mean one of two things. Either that the young, liberal voters who vote Labour now will consistently vote likewise once they grow older and more responsible (a demonstrable fallacy), or a uniformitarian assumption concerning the pace of immigration (also a faulty premise). Either way, the Labour vote ostensibly represents the poor and disenfranchized rather than the well-educated and affluent.

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Old 05-12-2015, 03:02 AM
 
Location: London
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I assume they were going by former coalfields.
Our urban centres were set up around initially industrial towns and cities. Industry needed energy - coal. Transport was slow - via canals and rivers. Transport was expensive, so the towns and cities clustered around coal fields and ports. Liverpool has no coal fields but is big urban centre because of the deep water river - the only one on that coast. That is why the urban centres of today are where they are. Then trains came which meant manufacturing could be further afield. In the 1970/80s the work of ports in loading and unloading of cargoes (stuffing & stripping of containers) was taken inland to rail container terminals. Energy was cheap so having these function remote was feasible. Containers destined for the likes of a large urban area like Liverpool City Region would be taken inland, stripped, and then back to Liverpool. This is energy inefficient. The likes of Liverpool and London declined - although this making port work remote was more a political move than a natural commerce migration. New York still kept stuff & stripping at the port to keep jobs in the port and the convenience of the setup.

Now energy is getting expensive and rail costs are at least 7 time the cost per mile by sea, a steady migration back around ports is beginning to happen. Computerisation means smaller container terminals can be around most cities, but some need dirty non-eco road transport for containers. Containers are off-loaded at Liverpool and put onto large motorised barges and taken up the ship canal to Manchester for local use saving many rail and road trips. The new Thames container terminal now is also a stuffing & stripping facility for cargoes destined for the London area, instead of going to and from the Midlands, reverting back to the old ways. The new post-Panamax Liverpool terminal wanted to have a stuffing & stripping facility, however the large tract of land was not available. There are two on the edge of the city at Kirkby and Widnes. The idea is to keep road transport to a minimum - by rail to local terminals and the short trip by road to the customers.

The post-Panamax ships carry 14,000 containers, to 4, 5, 6 thousand containers previously. This means these ships only travel from one port each side of an ocean(s). The cost per mile per container is very low. So to keep costs right down, it is best to stuff & strip most containers at the ports and take them to adjacent towns. Then transport costs are very low. So expect to see ports to become far more important places than they have been in the past 40 years.

Yes, towns and cities emerges around energy and water transport and it look like they are reverting back to the water transport hubs.
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Old 05-12-2015, 03:05 AM
 
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The comments section is aptly making fun of the grauniad's less-than-subtle implication that being "highly educated" makes you a labour voter.

"Young (as in under 25), socially liberal, multiethnic" I agree with, but I would replace "educated" with "deprived inner city". The most highly educated, qualified and productive demographic groups in the central London area (Inner London West has the highest GDP per capita among OECD designated areas in the world) all voted Tory.
And "welfare dependent". Let's cut straight to the chase and state the obvious.
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Old 05-12-2015, 03:37 AM
 
Location: London, NYC & LA
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The comments section is aptly making fun of the grauniad's less-than-subtle implication that being "highly educated" makes you a labour voter.

"Young (as in under 25), socially liberal, multiethnic" I agree with, but I would replace "educated" with "deprived inner city". The most highly educated, qualified and productive demographic groups in the central London area (Inner London West has the highest GDP per capita among OECD designated areas in the world) all voted Tory.
Nah Camden voted Labour and it contain Hampstead with Bishops Avenue and it has some of the wealthiest streets in the country. It isn't that simple...
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Old 05-12-2015, 03:52 AM
 
Location: London
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Nah Camden voted Labour and it contain Hampstead with Bishops Avenue and it has some of the wealthiest streets in the country. It isn't that simple...
I am I Westminster North and we went Labour and mostly have in previous elections. We have Maida Vale, St.John's Wood, Bayswater and parts of Marylebone. All very wealthy areas. Some of the most expensive real estate in the world is here.
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