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Originally Posted by red baron
The sooner the better. Why should real European countries be nice to a pseudo European country?
Whether your nice or not doesn't matter, as the PM has already made clear no deal is better than a bad deal and we are more than capable of just walking away and trading under WTO rules which is what Donald Trump's America is going to do, and you have the prospect of 35% Tariff on German cars and manufactured in two of the largest markets for German goods on the planet (20% of german cars are sopld in the UK alone), whilst the EU will be far less stable with no access to the city, however the City sees the loss of the EU as managable as most of our trade is with the US, Asia and increasingly India, although the Germans also have a large Financial Trade Surplus with the UK, so be as nasty as you want.
It should be noted that British troops are committed to Eastern Europe and we are part of the few countries in NATO to meet the 2% GDP, however in future perhaps the Germans may want to commit far more to their own defence, whilst Britain should simply seek a blue water doctine in relation to some Naval expansion. Let the Germans deal with the Russian tanks bordering Europe.
Perhaps the Europeans want to make their own defence pact and we Brits will make a new pact with the US replacing NATO and based on Echelon and Five Eyes among other treaties.
As for the future of the EU I have heard there are to be three further small changes, the organisation is to be renamed Germania, the Euro is in future to be known as the DM (Deutsche Mark) and future Presidents of the EU are to be known as the Chancellor of Germania. This is part of European standardisation and part of Europe's Federalist destiny.
Perhaps we may see some more election shocks in Europe this year in relation to the Netherlands, France and perhaps even Germany itself.
Last edited by Brave New World; 01-24-2017 at 04:50 AM..
The court has spoken and assuming all goes well Theresa May can officially file article 50 before the end of March. By the time all the negotiations have been completed, the UK will have been a member of the EU for about 50 years. Bl..dy amazing. Took those pseudo Europeans half a century to decide whether they should be in or out or even be a European country.
Whether your nice or not doesn't matter, as the PM has already made clear no deal is better than a bad deal and we are more than capable of just walking away and trading under WTO rules which is what Donald Trump's America is going to do, and you have the prospect of 35% Tariff on German cars and manufactured in two of the largest markets for German goods on the planet (20% of german cars are sopld in the UK alone), whilst the EU will be far less stable with no access to the city, however the City sees the loss of the EU as managable as most of our trade is with the US, Asia and increasingly India, although the Germans also have a large Financial Trade Surplus with the UK, so be as nasty as you want.
It should be noted that British troops are committed to Eastern Europe and we are part of the few countries in NATO to meet the 2% GDP, however in future perhaps the Germans may want to commit far more to their own defence, whilst Britain should simply seek a blue water doctine in relation to some Naval expansion. Let the Germans deal with the Russian tanks bordering Europe.
Perhaps the Europeans want to make their own defence pact and we Brits will make a new pact with the US replacing NATO and based on Echelon and Five Eyes among other treaties.
As for the future of the EU I have heard there are to be three further small changes, the organisation is to be renamed Germania, the Euro is in future to be known as the DM (Deutsche Mark) and future Presidents of the EU are to be known as the Chancellor of Germania. This is part of European standardisation and part of Europe's Federalist destiny.
Perhaps we may see some more election shocks in Europe this year in relation to the Netherlands, France and perhaps even Germany itself.
Oh I love this rhetoric being used and reused again... Well, we will see soon if that is real leverage that you have or... simply not, because if Theresa May thinks that no deal is better than a bad deal, it seems that both Germany and France also think exactly the same. How convenient, isn't it?
I do agree that there will be no deal after the 2 years, and it will just be WTO rules. It will be fantastic for the UK, and fantastic for the EU, so everyone will be happy, because they would have done what they "wanted". Maybe the bigger bloc has a better chance of being well, but that's maybe a wrong and uninformed opinion.
Oh I love this rhetoric being used and reused again... Well, we will see soon if that is real leverage that you have or... simply not, because if Theresa May thinks that no deal is better than a bad deal, it seems that both Germany and France also think exactly the same. How convenient, isn't it?
I do agree that there will be no deal after the 2 years, and it will just be WTO rules. It will be fantastic for the UK, and fantastic for the EU, so everyone will be happy, because they would have done what they "wanted". Maybe the bigger bloc has a better chance of being well, but that's maybe a wrong and uninformed opinion.
Well to be fair the EU consists of far more than just France and Germany. While WTO rules may apply for exports/imports, what about things like fishing rights? For example Spain has larger fishing quotas in UK waters than the UK (since fishing quotas are centrally managed and they have a bigger fishing fleet) will Spain be pleased to pay the UK Fisheries export prices +35% to just maintain their current consumption? Or are they likely to veto excessive import taxes on provision of retaining their quotas? It's small potatoes in cash value but given the options of people changing their diet, paying higher prices for what they consider a staple, or sticking it to the Brits which side do you think will win?
Sadly there is very little that the EU provides that cannot be sourced elsewhere, true Vintage Bollinger and Chateaux Rothschild may become 35% more expensive, but wines come from more than France and someone choosing either of those labels isn't going to let a measly 35% increase in cost stop them. However the staple necessities can come from anywhere, the UK can even import BMW'S from the US, India or China if people so desire (and BMW are open to it), shipping cost is nominal net weight and volume are far more important not distance. Further we already import from Japan, the US and many places outside of Europe.
The court has spoken and assuming all goes well Theresa May can officially file article 50 before the end of March. By the time all the negotiations have been completed, the UK will have been a member of the EU for about 50 years. Bl..dy amazing. Took those pseudo Europeans half a century to decide whether they should be in or out or even be a European country.
Yes, time moves slow in those British isles.
Seems you don't like the idea of 'losing us', your attitude has been repeated by other 'European' friends both on here and elsewhere, its not for you to decide if Britain stays part of the EU or not (another few years and perhaps even that 'choice' would have been taken from us) yet the fact we want out seems to make you want to stamp your feet? Is it because 'some' Europeans are taking it personally? The British vote to leave is purely political and not 'personal' at all, not wanting to be within the EU doesn't mean we don't want to be European or don't like Europe, if it is something our Euro friends cant seem to grasp then perhaps we can simply claim the British Isles aren't 'European' at all? Maybe we should declare the islands as a 'new' continent, Britannia perhaps? After all it seems that (some) Europeans practically want all out war rather than a sensible deal that benefits all?? If you generally believe that the UK leaving is detrimental to the rest of Europe then perhaps its a sign that the UK was putting more 'in' than it ever got 'out'? Isn't a good deal all round better for all than a demand for 'punishment' that is detrimental for all?
There are multiple possibilities if the British decide to diversify their trade away from the EU. (As discussed in other threads).
And, of course, I expect the British to make a determined effort to diversify if the EU makes a serious attempt to punish them.
Imagine the British embracing other trading partners/groupings: Commonwealth countries, the Pacific Alliance, southeast Asia, NAFTA, Russia, India, etc.
Last edited by Tim Randal Walker; 01-25-2017 at 04:08 PM..
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