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Old 07-15-2013, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Poshawa, Ontario
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Anti-Gentrification Protests in Vancouver's Troubled Eastside

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Old 07-15-2013, 11:20 AM
 
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Generally have little sympathy for people who oppose revitalization.

Roll the tape in reverse, you would never purposefully blight a desirable area in order to make it more affordable.
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Old 07-16-2013, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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IMO, there's a difference between "gentrification" and "revitalization." Revitalization happens when vacant or very underutilized sites are brought back into full use. Gentrification happens when existing businesses/residents are pushed out by people with more money.

From the article: the butcher that was replaced by a trendy restaurant is an example of gentrification, and the vacant department store with squatters that was redeveloped is an example of revitalization.

While I'm not a big fan of gentrification, I don't support: vandalism, intimidation, and theft, to make your point.
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Old 07-18-2013, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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IMO, there's a difference between "gentrification" and "revitalization." Revitalization happens when vacant or very underutilized sites are brought back into full use. Gentrification happens when existing businesses/residents are pushed out by people with more money.

From the article: the butcher that was replaced by a trendy restaurant is an example of gentrification, and the vacant department store with squatters that was redeveloped is an example of revitalization.

While I'm not a big fan of gentrification, I don't support: vandalism, intimidation, and theft, to make your point.
That butcher was replaced with a combo butcher shop and restaurant, keeping the same name it had for years. The butcher shop employs low income people who want to start a better life, and the restaurant purposely has low prices so the people on low incomes can afford to eat there. It is not a fancy place.

That department store redo had lofty goals with low income housing as a goal, however that unfortunately isn't how it turned out. I think this was a mistake.

Social mix has displaced low-income people at Woodward’s (Map and analysis) | CARNEGIE COMMUNITY ACTION PROJECT

I think the answer is that new and better low income housing HAS to keep pace the changes going on.
It has to involve all levels of gov't not just the city.

For those who don't know the area, we are talking about a six block length about two blocks wide in some parts. It is right between two major tourist areas, Gastown and Chinatown.
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Old 07-26-2013, 09:42 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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I'm against gentrification. Some may think that it's doing the neighbourhood a favour by "cleaning it up", but in reality it only benefits new post-gentrification transplants, as the original low income residents will be displaced.
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Old 07-27-2013, 05:48 AM
 
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I'm against gentrification. Some may think that it's doing the neighbourhood a favour by "cleaning it up", but in reality it only benefits new post-gentrification transplants, as the original low income residents will be displaced.
Would you blight an area to create affordable housing? Such a strange policy...
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Old 07-27-2013, 05:27 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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I believe we should let the residents improve the neighbourhood on their terms.
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Old 07-28-2013, 05:40 PM
 
Location: West Cedar Park, Philadelphia
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I believe we should let the residents improve the neighbourhood on their terms.
Generally I would agree, but in some instances you could be waiting around for awhile.
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Old 07-28-2013, 08:35 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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Who cares, if you don't live there?
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Old 07-28-2013, 09:13 PM
 
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Better than the ghettoizing that has been happening for the last few decades. Many once thriving places have been turned to ghetto and/or blighted areas.

The only reason these people want the place to stay scummy is because they are scummy people. Time for them to be displaced just as the scummy displaced others in decades past.

Now they will not be able to do the scummy things they did without being noticed.

The property does not belong to them, so they can go 'eff off and mind their own business.
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