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No, I don't bike to the grocery store. I've had hip surgery and I'm afraid of falling and ruining my hip and having to have more surgery. TMI? Don't ask nosey questions. When there was a grocery store .8 mi from my house, I did walk sometimes, even though it's basically .8 mi uphill to walk home, with the groceries. When we lived on a flat area, before I had surgery, I took my bike with two little kids in the trailer.
There are some bike paths that you can take down the hill. The nearest grocery is now 2 mi. way. Even though there is a sea of parking, people who want to ride bikes amazingly find they can do so, and can lock their bikes up even though there is not, I don't think, a bike rack.
When we had a closer grocery store, I used to see some neighbors walking home from the grocery with their Safeway bags. (That's how I knew they'd been to the store.)
Then you understand what it means to have options rather than force everyone in the suburbs to be car dependent.
If one wants to live in a suburban community and doesn't want to be car dependent, they are usually out of luck unless they can move to the select few suburban areas that does have options.
If one wants to live in a suburban community and doesn't want to be car dependent, they are usually out of luck unless they can move to the select few suburban areas that does have options.
I disagree that it's a select few suburban areas that have options.
So I guess since everyplace has to be the same and since in most of America PT is at a disadvantage, it follows that PT is always at a disadvantage. This is obviously false.
I believe he was generalizing. It is true that in most situations in most places public transit is at a disadvantage.
What the hey? Where are you getting this from, other than NU rantings by people who never go to the suburbs, that you have to be car dependent if you live in the burbs?
What the hey? Where are you getting this from, other than NU rantings by people who never go to the suburbs, that you have to be car dependent if you live in the burbs?
Or maybe others got a different conclusion than you.
By living in the burbs, visiting others. How practical is it to not use a car in most suburbs? Would be very limiting for most and/or inconvenient or time consuming? I think I remember you mentioning parking as a "necessity" and cars needed for "modern living". If they are where you live, how is it not car dependent?
Or maybe others got a different conclusion than you.
By living in the burbs, visiting others. How practical is it to not use a car in most suburbs? Would be very limiting for most and/or inconvenient or time consuming? I think I remember you mentioning parking as a "necessity" and cars needed for "modern living". If they are where you live, how is it not car dependent?
Well, well, well! We're not supposed to dredge up old posts or threads, now are we? I seriously doubt that I said the latter, possibly the former b/c people are seriously NOT going to give up their cars b/c the urbanists want them to. How many people on this forum are totally car-less? I think not using a car would be very limiting/inconvenient for most people in the city living a family lifestyle. The people who are walking/biking to the grocery stores probably don't eat 50% of their meals at home. If you're cooking dinner for a family of four 5-7 days a week, you need a lot more groceries than you do if you cook once "in a blue moon" to impress a date. If you have kids to get to music lessons, sports practice, etc, it's highly inconvenient to do w/o a car, no matter where you live.
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