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Old 10-05-2014, 06:39 AM
 
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Zoning steals private property from renters, but all I hear are crickets.

Don't take my word for it. Thomas Sowell wrote that zoning redistributes income from renters to owners. (Markets and Minorities, chapter 7)
You can't have something stolen from you that you never owned in the first place.
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Old 10-05-2014, 09:52 AM
 
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Urban dwellers gripe about the tax base flight; then gripe when some of it returns. Urban cities need more than dependent people now like never before.

I don''t gripe abut tax base flight, but I can see why some might.

And the people who gripe when some of it returns are the ones adversely affected by its return.

Does it not make sense to you that urban dwellers adversely affected by the return of some of the tax base might gripe about it?
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Old 10-05-2014, 09:57 AM
 
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You can't have something stolen from you that you never owned in the first place.

??? Renters earn income; would you at least agree they OWN the income they have earned?

Zoning inflates the rents they must pay

Hence, zoning steals income that renters earned and owned.
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Old 10-05-2014, 11:02 AM
 
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??? Renters earn income; would you at least agree they OWN the income they have earned?

Zoning inflates the rents they must pay

Hence, zoning steals income that renters earned and owned.
That is simply life. I'm not sure how it's a problem. Prices never stay the same.
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Old 10-05-2014, 11:51 AM
 
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That is simply life. I'm not sure how it's a problem. Prices never stay the same.

??? Government regulation and redistribution is simply life? Then you have no complaint when cap and trade and EPA regulations cause your electricity bill to necessarily skyrocket, and you also have no complaint when government picks winners and losers.
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Old 10-05-2014, 03:58 PM
 
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??? Renters earn income; would you at least agree they OWN the income they have earned?

Zoning inflates the rents they must pay

Hence, zoning steals income that renters earned and owned.
That's like saying grocery stores "steal" income that renters and homeowners earned and owned.

It's called life. You pay to play. Some more than others. But demanding that this country become a nation of slums and third world style neighborhoods won't change anything. Because you still wouldn't be able to buy.
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Old 10-05-2014, 04:46 PM
 
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Most mortgaged homeowners have fixed-rate mortgages; the P&I payment is fixed for the term of the mortgage.

PLEASE explain how rising prices adversely affect a homeowner's principal and interest mortgage payment.

This ought to be good. Ball is in your court.
You know what you did, you stated just "P&I", to avoid the rest of your ridiculous post that owners cannot face rising costs like renters do.

Look at your statement:

"Rising prices do not adversely affect a homeowner's P&I payment but renters cannot for long avoid facing rent increases."

You threw "P&I" in there to make it look like your argument is sound, when in fact you omitted something for owners that indeed can rise, that is taxes and insurance; why do you avoid these costs? Because it counters your argument regarding renters, that is why. It also throws in a valid point that while renters can bail after the lease is up, an owner is stuck until someone buys the house.

Your illogical arguments and your wannabe crafty logic reflects your financial situation; you are just too darn obtuse to actually understand how to get ahead financially, and rather play the blame game.
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Old 10-05-2014, 04:48 PM
 
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??? Renters earn income; would you at least agree they OWN the income they have earned?

Zoning inflates the rents they must pay

Hence, zoning steals income that renters earned and owned.
That would be like Ford steals my money when I buy a car, Publix steals my money when I by food; ridiculous argument. Shows your logic is flawed and you really are grasping for straws to prove your lame points.

We get it, you are poor, and you think you are entitled to live where you desire but cannot because you are poor, and everyone else is to blame for this.
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Old 10-06-2014, 02:17 AM
 
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That's like saying grocery stores "steal" income that renters and homeowners earned and owned.

It's called life. You pay to play. Some more than others. But demanding that this country become a nation of slums and third world style neighborhoods won't change anything. Because you still wouldn't be able to buy.

I then take it that you are okay with any level of government regulation that drives up prices?

Like, say, when cap and trade and the EPA war on coal cause your electricity rates too necessarily skyrocket?

That's life, right?

There is nothing wrong with government-driven rent inflation as long as renters receive just compensation.
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Old 10-06-2014, 02:21 AM
 
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That would be like Ford steals my money when I buy a car, Publix steals my money when I by food; ridiculous argument. Shows your logic is flawed and you really are grasping for straws to prove your lame points.

We get it, you are poor, and you think you are entitled to live where you desire but cannot because you are poor, and everyone else is to blame for this.

Not really, since Ford and Publix operate in a free market. Government does not drive up the price of food, government subsidizes the price of food.

Through zoning, government does drive up the price of rent. Ever heard of supply and demand? What did you expect to happen to prices when government artificially restricts the supply of housing?
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